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Poll: armor or toughness

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3
10%
armor
28
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lastalien
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Re: talismans on cloth healers

Post#11 » Wed Jun 21, 2017 1:43 pm

Rida wrote:Only willpower. Works.
Are you shure?
I am not pro healer :) but my groupmate speak about wound/armor preferable.
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arnagob
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Re: talismans on cloth healers

Post#12 » Wed Jun 21, 2017 1:45 pm

lastalien wrote:
Rida wrote:Only willpower. Works.
Are you shure?
I am not pro healer :) but my groupmate speak about wound/armor preferable.
Yeah, willpower is da best
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vouzou
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Re: talismans on cloth healers

Post#13 » Wed Jun 21, 2017 2:25 pm

Willpower is Joke for oRvR what 's the point of having high Willpower if you are dead and can't heal.
Mostly around 700-750 WP do the Job for oRvR.
The rest must go to heal crit and defencive stats preferable Deft Defender.
As for talismans my favorite is wounds for cloth and armour for medium.
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Re: talismans on cloth healers

Post#14 » Wed Jun 21, 2017 2:25 pm

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roadkillrobin wrote:Id also consider Initiative and Wounds.

If you allready got around 300-340 Ini you're able to soak every ini debuff without goin over critical rates of getting crit. By using talismans instead of Renown Initiative you can spend those Resources elsewere.

Wounds is the ONLY allrounder stat and it's deffintly the best defensive stat for ORVR and not a bad choise for small scale either as it deals with stuff like WL or Engie/SW/SH that drops their burst on you and those other stats can't really mitigrate that very well.

Just forget about toughness tbh. Dps is just way to high for it to do much. You need to survive like 30 hits before it has a better effect then Wounds do which almoast never happens. You need around 800+ before you see any noticble return from it in T4 wich kinda makes it a exklusive stat to classes with +Toughness tactics.

Armor is very good in general.
already got -3% to be crit in total so no need on ini
If your chance to be crit is -3 due to just stackiing crit reduction and not Initiativ and your core Initiative is 120 and you get hit by a 120 Initiative debuff your chance to be crit is gonna be 347%. (Not sure if it can get that high but atleast 97%)
If its 200. And get stripped by 120 then its 40%.
If its 300 and stripped by 120 its 15% and 350 and stripped by 120 its 10%. The softspot is around 300.

What your total crit reduction is Is not the relevant part here it's all about how the Initiative forumla works and what happens when it's debuffed.
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arnagob
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Re: talismans on cloth healers

Post#15 » Wed Jun 21, 2017 2:28 pm

vouzou wrote:Willpower is Joke for oRvR what 's the point of having high Willpower if you are dead and can't heal.
Mostly around 700-750 WP do the Job for oRvR.
The rest must go to heal crit and defencive stats preferable Deft Defender.
As for talismans my favorite is wounds for cloth and armour for medium.
Everybody know Willpower is da best!
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Re: talismans on cloth healers

Post#16 » Wed Jun 21, 2017 3:10 pm

arnagob wrote:
vouzou wrote:Willpower is Joke for oRvR what 's the point of having high Willpower if you are dead and can't heal.
Mostly around 700-750 WP do the Job for oRvR.
The rest must go to heal crit and defencive stats preferable Deft Defender.
As for talismans my favorite is wounds for cloth and armour for medium.
Everybody know Willpower is da best!
WS is better, gotta get those parry spec AMs just like in the WAR trailer. I'll easily beat all the WEs
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arnagob
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Re: talismans on cloth healers

Post#17 » Wed Jun 21, 2017 3:22 pm

shaggyboomboom wrote:
arnagob wrote:
vouzou wrote:Willpower is Joke for oRvR what 's the point of having high Willpower if you are dead and can't heal.
Mostly around 700-750 WP do the Job for oRvR.
The rest must go to heal crit and defencive stats preferable Deft Defender.
As for talismans my favorite is wounds for cloth and armour for medium.
Everybody know Willpower is da best!
WS is better, gotta get those parry spec AMs just like in the WAR trailer. I'll easily beat all the WEs
Yeah maybe :lol:

Anyway, just go full armor then wounds (around 7k is gud)
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gungnir08
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Re: talismans on cloth healers

Post#18 » Wed Jun 21, 2017 5:23 pm

shaggyboomboom wrote:
arnagob wrote:
vouzou wrote:Willpower is Joke for oRvR what 's the point of having high Willpower if you are dead and can't heal.
Mostly around 700-750 WP do the Job for oRvR.
The rest must go to heal crit and defencive stats preferable Deft Defender.
As for talismans my favorite is wounds for cloth and armour for medium.
Everybody know Willpower is da best!
WS is better, gotta get those parry spec AMs just like in the WAR trailer. I'll easily beat all the WEs
Hey, I still remember the artwork for those cosmetic sets which never got released. Those AMs had offhand swords, so clearly that was Mythic telling all AMs to put everything into parry.
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Re: talismans on cloth healers

Post#19 » Wed Jun 21, 2017 7:07 pm

arnagob wrote:Anyway, just go full armor then wounds (around 7k is gud)
Can confirm. Regularly hit Arnagob for 132 on my 50% armor pen SW.
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