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Re: Didn't any absorbing skills stack with armor, resist or any decreasing dmg buff, equipment (mitigation)?
Posted: Sun Aug 05, 2018 7:50 pm
by kam19080
Tesq wrote: ↑Sun Aug 05, 2018 11:41 am
Working pre crits and since a lot of classes have tactics which increase crit dmg the absorbs are best to counter burst before those multiicators enter in action, for exemple if the dmg became zero any bonus from crits is lost and unless aza correct me it should also stack with toughness pre crits.
Thankyou Tesq,
So that, absorbing skills only stack for toughness for mitigation, right?
Re: Didn't any absorbing skills stack with armor, resist or any decreasing dmg buff, equipment (mitigation)?
Posted: Sun Aug 05, 2018 7:50 pm
by kam19080
Ramasee wrote: ↑Sun Aug 05, 2018 6:04 pm
You can see all this in action plugging in various stats in the bubble calculator on this topic's spreadhseet:
viewtopic.php?f=53&t=27314
Thankyou so much
Re: Didn't any absorbing skills stack with armor, resist or any decreasing dmg buff, equipment (mitigation)?
Posted: Sun Aug 05, 2018 7:56 pm
by Zxul
Tesq wrote: ↑Sun Aug 05, 2018 11:41 am
toughness pre crits.
Hmm, making sure if I understood it correctly.
Does toughness mitigates crit dmg before crit multiplier? As in for example, if a class with +50% crit dmg tactic hits me for 100 base, which is reduced by toughness to 50- will the final dmg be 50 + 50% + 50% = 100? Or will it be 100 + 50% + 50% = 200, then -50 toughness mitigation?
Re: Didn't any absorbing skills stack with armor, resist or any decreasing dmg buff, equipment (mitigation)?
Posted: Sun Aug 05, 2018 8:51 pm
by Dabbart
https://github.com/WarEmu/WarBugs/issues/11668
Unless it was fixed and I didn’t notice, absorp still works weird with detaunt and guard. you lose 1/2 your mitigation, but absorp the same amount... I’m still not sure it it’s just a log display error or not...
Re: Didn't any absorbing skills stack with armor, resist or any decreasing dmg buff, equipment (mitigation)?
Posted: Sun Aug 05, 2018 8:52 pm
by Azarael
That's not a bug. The log displays the value the shield absorbed at the time its calculation pass was made.
Re: Didn't any absorbing skills stack with armor, resist or any decreasing dmg buff, equipment (mitigation)?
Posted: Sun Aug 05, 2018 9:11 pm
by Dabbart
Edit: Ramasee explained it. Thanks!
Re: Didn't any absorbing skills stack with armor, resist or any decreasing dmg buff, equipment (mitigation)?
Posted: Sun Aug 05, 2018 10:03 pm
by Ramasee
Base Damage + Stat Modifier * (Offensive Stat - Target's Toughness) = predamage.
Predamage - absorb = postdamage
Post damage is then modified by %modifiers such as critical hit damage, armor, resistance, guard, etc.
Re: Didn't any absorbing skills stack with armor, resist or any decreasing dmg buff, equipment (mitigation)?
Posted: Sun Aug 05, 2018 10:24 pm
by Tesq
Zxul wrote: ↑Sun Aug 05, 2018 7:56 pm
Tesq wrote: ↑Sun Aug 05, 2018 11:41 am
toughness pre crits.
Hmm, making sure if I understood it correctly.
Does toughness mitigates crit dmg before crit multiplier? As in for example, if a class with +50% crit dmg tactic hits me for 100 base, which is reduced by toughness to 50- will the final dmg be 50 + 50% + 50% = 100? Or will it be 100 + 50% + 50% = 200, then -50 toughness mitigation?
Toughness get detract from str immidiatly, so if bw dmg is 700 with int and from toughness is -200 and absorb is 375.
All get removed from base pre crit.
700-200-375= 125 base pre crit
125 x3.5 (bw crit)= 312.5 dmgs
If absorb had worked post crit it would had saved a lot less, usually the stronger the crit multipler is the more the absorb bubble can save.
If it had worked post bubble it would had been
500x3.5==1750-375=1325
Re: Didn't any absorbing skills stack with armor, resist or any decreasing dmg buff, equipment (mitigation)?
Posted: Sun Aug 05, 2018 10:55 pm
by Dabbart
Ramasee wrote: ↑Sun Aug 05, 2018 10:03 pm
Base Damage + Stat Modifier * (Offensive Stat - Target's Toughness) = predamage.
Predamage - absorb = postdamage
Post damage is then modified by %modifiers such as critical hit damage, armor, resistance, guard, etc.
Aha! Thanks mate. I couldn’t get my brain around that.
Re: Didn't any absorbing skills stack with armor, resist or any decreasing dmg buff, equipment (mitigation)?
Posted: Sun Aug 05, 2018 10:55 pm
by Zxul
Thanks Tesq, actually makes a noticeable difference for specs.