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catholicism198
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Re: Healer long-term choice (with dps perspective)

Post#31 » Tue Aug 21, 2018 6:22 pm

If that were true, then there would be just as many DPS Shaman as there are DPS AMs- but that is far from...,and Shaman did have more dots in the past- they were just slowly stripped away leaving you with what you have today. *not counting Get'n Smarter

There's no denying that the new Gorks Barbs is better than the old one, but that's not saying much since simply reducing the CD would've made it better. Furthermore, the change made to it completely contradicts Azarael's vision for the class:

Archmage / Shaman

Intended roles:

Full casting healer, primarily with single target focus, with the ability to choose whether or not to use mechanic stacks to inflict assist damage or to heal on the move, or to throw DoTs to preload faster heals.
Hybrid DPS, with single target/DoT focus, using damage stacks to throw out heals as the team needs them, or building up heal stacks when given the opportunity in order to burst with them later.

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Re: Healer long-term choice (with dps perspective)

Post#32 » Tue Aug 21, 2018 6:31 pm

catholicism198 wrote: Tue Aug 21, 2018 6:22 pm There's no denying that the new Gorks Barbs is better than the old one, but that's not saying much since simply reducing the CD would've made it better. Furthermore, the change made to it completely contradicts Azarael's vision for the class:
new gorks barks is minimum 8 out of 10 for sham skillset, mb even 9
the true problem now is 5pt of da green barely usefull knockback

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Re: Healer long-term choice (with dps perspective)

Post#33 » Tue Aug 21, 2018 6:32 pm

Shaman looks better and imo is a better healer than an AM. The trade off is that AM is the better DPS. If you want DoTs that land and hurt, roll an AM, if you want a healer you'll occasionally switch to DPS or want to assist real dps with, go shaman (which is essentially what the OP suggested).

Similarly, the roll is reversed for melee healers, DoK is a viable dps where WP isn't.

If everything was perfectly equal that uniqueness between classes that makes you want to try a dps AM or a melee DoK disappears.
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Re: Healer long-term choice (with dps perspective)

Post#34 » Tue Aug 21, 2018 6:35 pm

nat3s wrote: Tue Aug 21, 2018 6:32 pm Shaman ... and imo is a better healer than an AM.
Uh ok.. I take it you play both?
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Re: Healer long-term choice (with dps perspective)

Post#35 » Tue Aug 21, 2018 7:42 pm

catholicism198 wrote: Tue Aug 21, 2018 6:22 pm If that were true, then there would be just as many DPS Shaman as there are DPS AMs- but that is far from...,and Shaman did have more dots in the past- they were just slowly stripped away leaving you with what you have today. *not counting Get'n Smarter

There's no denying that the new Gorks Barbs is better than the old one, but that's not saying much since simply reducing the CD would've made it better. Furthermore, the change made to it completely contradicts Azarael's vision for the class:

Archmage / Shaman

Intended roles:

Full casting healer, primarily with single target focus, with the ability to choose whether or not to use mechanic stacks to inflict assist damage or to heal on the move, or to throw DoTs to preload faster heals.
Hybrid DPS, with single target/DoT focus, using damage stacks to throw out heals as the team needs them, or building up heal stacks when given the opportunity in order to burst with them later.
Will be happy to showcase dps shaman. Also DWiC can benefit from chop fasta, giving it greater use for largescale than dps am.

Quantity of people playing doesn't mean jack all: there were very few melee sw playing - even with the buffs - but that didn't negate from the fact that they were dominating the small scale scene.
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Re: Healer long-term choice (with dps perspective)

Post#36 » Tue Aug 21, 2018 11:00 pm

I still don't know where the myth that am has all these extra dots comes from. They have 1 more pretty average and expensive dot that makes up about 3% of my overall damage. Both CoT and Dispel Magic make up more but would Greenskins swap their racials? I certainly would. Lower burst, no massive toughness assist debuff and no ere we go x2. People dont play shammy dps because there is a better magic dot class. On order there isnt. Plus Archmage is the quintessential high elf dps class from tt that can wipe out entire units I know thats why I rolled one first day of live.
As for Shaman having dots stripped away. They lost 1 dot from launch. So did AM. Shaman never had the same number of dots. They had more hots and higher burst. Am had more dots and higher burst healing. and the biggie. AM can be gcleansed. Shaman can not.
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Re: Healer long-term choice (with dps perspective)

Post#37 » Wed Aug 22, 2018 7:59 pm

peterthepan3 wrote: Tue Aug 21, 2018 12:18 pm Shaman also has dots:P Don't forget access to Talon from zealot. AM lack a dwic equivalent, which can crit for 1.4k+.... You need to test actual am vs shaman and not shaman with DBW as a filler.

But dps am makes the better 6man dps for sure.
Hey Peter The Pan,

does DWIC perform better than Fury of Da Green with the new changes?
1. Int does not effect Fury of Da Green
2. Fury of Da Green has a 20% to not be disrupted


also can you link me your specs you play?
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Re: Healer long-term choice (with dps perspective)

Post#38 » Wed Aug 22, 2018 8:06 pm

peterthepan3 wrote: Tue Aug 21, 2018 7:42 pm
catholicism198 wrote: Tue Aug 21, 2018 6:22 pm If that were true, then there would be just as many DPS Shaman as there are DPS AMs- but that is far from...,and Shaman did have more dots in the past- they were just slowly stripped away leaving you with what you have today. *not counting Get'n Smarter

There's no denying that the new Gorks Barbs is better than the old one, but that's not saying much since simply reducing the CD would've made it better. Furthermore, the change made to it completely contradicts Azarael's vision for the class:

Archmage / Shaman

Intended roles:

Full casting healer, primarily with single target focus, with the ability to choose whether or not to use mechanic stacks to inflict assist damage or to heal on the move, or to throw DoTs to preload faster heals.
Hybrid DPS, with single target/DoT focus, using damage stacks to throw out heals as the team needs them, or building up heal stacks when given the opportunity in order to burst with them later.
Will be happy to showcase dps shaman. Also DWiC can benefit from chop fasta, giving it greater use for largescale than dps am.

Quantity of people playing doesn't mean jack all: there were very few melee sw playing - even with the buffs - but that didn't negate from the fact that they were dominating the small scale scene.
If you so wish, go right ahead. -but only do so if you intend to showcase its super amazing "burst" in proper fights and not your typical 6-man vs 1 stray r16 fights.

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Re: Healer long-term choice (with dps perspective)

Post#39 » Wed Aug 22, 2018 11:02 pm

defleshed wrote: Wed Aug 22, 2018 7:59 pm
Hey Peter The Pan,

does DWIC perform better than Fury of Da Green with the new changes?
1. Int does not effect Fury of Da Green
2. Fury of Da Green has a 20% to not be disrupted


also can you link me your specs you play?
im not Peter but can share a view on FoDG
its absolutely not worth to spec in any case
as DPS sham you will not pick it due to insanely low dmg (about 350 dmg on doll in IC for 2sec cast)
as a Healer you'll lose m4 and shrug it off/sticky feetz just to pick FoDG
on paper its a good spell, but to costly (in terms of mastery points) atm

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Re: Healer long-term choice (with dps perspective)

Post#40 » Thu Aug 23, 2018 7:57 am

nat3s wrote: Tue Aug 21, 2018 6:32 pm Shaman looks better and imo is a better healer than an AM.
Shams are ugly :D

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