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Pretty solid assumption.

SW or Engi Roleplayers are mostly Single Target Scout SW or Sniper Engis.
Both are fun to play, but don't have any impact on big scale RvR. As soon as Destro pushes they need to retreat.
The Bitterstone Sniper Squad is a fun, chill and shoot destro group that is pretty hillarious if you shoot a goblin who thinks he is out of range.

AoE Versions of the Engi can dish out Damage but can't reach a burst like BW or Slayer do.
The only position where DPS Grenadier or Tinkerer shine is a good Keep Funnel Position or even at the Gate in a city siege.
Even then, Phosphourus Shells and Napalm Grenade, the real good abilities don't stack. Meaning only the strongest in the area counts. It is the same on the Magus Version. So every Engi above the first is just wasting his 2 GCDs and not putting more Damage on Destro. I can't compare it with BW, and which abilities there don't stack.
It is diffivult to keep the Turrets up with the latest changes but when you don't need to run around much you can centrate your damage.
But the Engi needs to stand 10 seconds still to even reach Slayer Level. Not possible in a mobile RvR.

Thats why "The Roleplay Guilds" run AoE WL Groups or Dwarf Warbands with Slayer focus.
The Aoe WL builds are done by Eternal Host with the plan to punce to the backline on command. Maybe some of them might say something about it. OFC fighting vs a full decked out Destro premade you are missing lots of Order synergies. I think there was a video floating around where they are doing it sucessfully.
Slayer Warbands depend on Hard IBs to keep the Slayers alive for that Rampage + Retribution drop. The only advantage is that they get into that rotation faster without the need to wait on M2 on Order that in 9/10 cases get stolen by Marauders anyway. Also Slayers need that Invader Gear to take Advantage of some Armor debuffs.

And yes an Empire Roleplay Guild which kicks out everyone with a Tall Hat could run a full META Warband.
If I would run one it would be full with 2hander Kotbs.

Glorian wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 5:04 pm The Aoe WL builds are done by Eternal Host with the plan to punce to the backline on command. Maybe some of them might say something about it. OFC fighting vs a full decked out Destro premade you are missing lots of Order synergies. I think there was a video floating around where they are doing it sucessfully.
Slayer Warbands depend on Hard IBs to keep the Slayers alive for that Rampage + Retribution drop. The only advantage is that they get into that rotation faster without the need to wait on M2 on Order that in 9/10 cases get stolen by Marauders anyway. Also Slayers need that Invader Gear to take Advantage of some Armor debuffs.

As a ex member of EH for long time i can tell theres no big thing behind strategy fight the fight that match our strenghth and avoid blob. Occasionally attack blob from flank to help order. |Gwel and his |WL is beast and he has a nose to follow good prey Fun times ;]

Bitterstones as longest running guild, provide a nice chill positive learning ground for many new dawi

the problem is when rest of realm combined is overly stacked in one direction i.e too many SW/WH/Engi/AM's... Not enough BW/Tanks/WP so class balance is very skewered and if there are bw/sl and they unguarded thats a huge dps loss / waste.

Destro never had this problem because they have cool looking tanks and can mix and match setups better across the board generally speaking.

I remember when order's best guilds struggled to get 4 BW consistently (which really hurt their realm)... it just has a slight knock on effect

A very honest assessment of the state of Order classes in oRvR right now.

For class pride I’d add the healer AM morale pump and emergency channel heal can prove very useful in keeps when they can be stationary more; you don’t get them off as much in the open field obviously where you need to be scanning and strafing until a push is called.

One or two AM in an ideal WB is very accurate still ‘cuz that squishiness is not being exaggerated.

I’m a very pretty corpse though.

Wam wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 3:44 pm

Direbloodykiller wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 3:37 pm

Wam wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 2:34 pm White lion... this is more a small scale hero than large scale because its lack of aoe compared to slayer/bw... but its okay if you have some ST assist train in your wb (not too much, you want to be predominately AOE optimised for large scale) also WL needs brain on who to pull with pet, who and when to pounce etc... not go chasing away from warband doing own thing being a liability and useless that is no good for anyone. One is not end of world, or two if you are lacking superior choices from BW/SL

okey boomer
https://builder.returnofreckoning.com/c ... =4258,4280

and you think this as more of a impact than a proper bright wizard killer? or even a slayer?

or a marauder from destro?

please if you are going to post non sense atleast back it up... show me screenshots of your killscore from a warband in large scale and compared to other proper dps players/classes that are equally supported... even with Ninja killing blows which WL is good at...

I know the strengths and shortcomings of that class... its lacks raw aoe damage and utility in comparison.

ever heard of freaking opportunity cost? you compare it to others who are on your side and competing for same spot... so unfortunately for order dps classes you are compared to BW or Slayer... so try again mate

Well, well, well here you go Wam... and let me add, there was 24 BW's in the zone.
http://bakfullaangorakatter.com/Starfkr ... actory.jpg

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[EDIT] Let me add - 24 BW's OUTSIDE Bombling in the zone

carlos wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 5:32 pm

Wam wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 3:44 pm

Direbloodykiller wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 3:37 pm

okey boomer
https://builder.returnofreckoning.com/c ... =4258,4280

and you think this as more of a impact than a proper bright wizard killer? or even a slayer?

or a marauder from destro?

please if you are going to post non sense atleast back it up... show me screenshots of your killscore from a warband in large scale and compared to other proper dps players/classes that are equally supported... even with Ninja killing blows which WL is good at...

I know the strengths and shortcomings of that class... its lacks raw aoe damage and utility in comparison.

ever heard of freaking opportunity cost? you compare it to others who are on your side and competing for same spot... so unfortunately for order dps classes you are compared to BW or Slayer... so try again mate

Well, well, well here you go Wam... and let me add, there was 24 BW's in the zone.
http://bakfullaangorakatter.com/Starfkr ... actory.jpg

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[EDIT] Let me add - 24 BW's OUTSIDE Bombling in the zone

Yeh. I have nice pics i have more kills in zone than Diez BW or Hao back in the day. Its still just steal kills from WA / TTH proc / Weapon proc - cause you can tag bazillion targets as WL.
I did run as tank with Bling as well as best WLs on sever [Gwelthas, Bregon, Secrets, Llara] and none of them was able to unleash mayhem that BW is able to [i got comparison from 3vx, 6man and full WB plays].

Your dmg and your aoe burst is still subpar. If you dont see difference in this matter... You should learn how this game works in first place.

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carlos wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 5:32 pm

Wam wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 3:44 pm

Direbloodykiller wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 3:37 pm

okey boomer
https://builder.returnofreckoning.com/c ... =4258,4280

and you think this as more of a impact than a proper bright wizard killer? or even a slayer?

or a marauder from destro?

please if you are going to post non sense atleast back it up... show me screenshots of your killscore from a warband in large scale and compared to other proper dps players/classes that are equally supported... even with Ninja killing blows which WL is good at...

I know the strengths and shortcomings of that class... its lacks raw aoe damage and utility in comparison.

ever heard of freaking opportunity cost? you compare it to others who are on your side and competing for same spot... so unfortunately for order dps classes you are compared to BW or Slayer... so try again mate

Well, well, well here you go Wam... and let me add, there was 24 BW's in the zone.
http://bakfullaangorakatter.com/Starfkr ... actory.jpg

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[EDIT] Let me add - 24 BW's OUTSIDE Bombling in the zone

I only see 2 proper bw's on that list without further analysis... one is double what you did which reinforces the difference between BW and WL.. bombling maybe supported, other bw maybe less supported.

But thankyou for trying to prove a point

I see alot of bw high kills, little death in comparison if you was going into K D R ...

also i know WL can get high kills in proper 6 man (lob etc)... but talking about large scale play

Bombling likely supported by an entire coordinated warband. That's kind of how he rolls. Gonna have to up your game to that level to compete.

wargrimnir wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 7:22 pm Bombling likely supported by an entire coordinated warband. That's kind of how he rolls. Gonna have to up your game to that level to compete.

That too It was like this in VII it is same in TC.

It's effective - so ppl go for it.

p.s. Being his tank or healers sucks tho - when literally every single destro in area try target you two

Wam wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 5:48 pm

carlos wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 5:32 pm

Wam wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 3:44 pm

and you think this as more of a impact than a proper bright wizard killer? or even a slayer?

or a marauder from destro?

please if you are going to post non sense atleast back it up... show me screenshots of your killscore from a warband in large scale and compared to other proper dps players/classes that are equally supported... even with Ninja killing blows which WL is good at...

I know the strengths and shortcomings of that class... its lacks raw aoe damage and utility in comparison.

ever heard of freaking opportunity cost? you compare it to others who are on your side and competing for same spot... so unfortunately for order dps classes you are compared to BW or Slayer... so try again mate

Well, well, well here you go Wam... and let me add, there was 24 BW's in the zone.
http://bakfullaangorakatter.com/Starfkr ... actory.jpg

NEXT!


[EDIT] Let me add - 24 BW's OUTSIDE Bombling in the zone

I only see 2 proper bw's on that list without further analysis... one is double what you did which reinforces the difference between BW and WL.. bombling maybe supported, other bw maybe less supported.

But thankyou for trying to prove a point

I see alot of bw high kills, little death in comparison if you was going into K D R ...

also i know WL can get high kills in proper 6 man (lob etc)... but talking about large scale play

This actual zone, I was without guard the whole game though with rly quick resses.
Also Wam, I'm sry if i missunderstood your text "show me screenshots of your killscore from a warband in large scale and compared to other proper dps players/classes that are equally supported"... I dont know where I missunderstood you (though my native tongue isn't English).