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Manatikik
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Re: Scenario emblems

Post#21 » Fri Nov 15, 2019 4:21 pm

Flavorburst wrote:
Fri Nov 15, 2019 12:36 am
Manatikik wrote:
Fri Nov 15, 2019 12:29 am
Flavorburst wrote:
Fri Nov 15, 2019 12:00 am



Sure, if you get a solid 6 together, have everyone play constantly, win EVERY match in 10m or less, and people don't stop queuing from getting their **** pushed in, you'll get ONE 2h weapon in 50-60 hours.

However, that's a) a very unrealistic set of circumstances b) a lot more work than just getting a purple bag in orvr c) even the pve weapons don't take as much effort to get, and they are better.


Meh I did it, really not a lot of work; plus it’s more fun to play with a consistent 6.
Do you consider your play experience with the guild that you have cultivated over the course of a year or so "normal" or anywhere close to average?

Idk what’s so odd about playing with your guildies or at least trying to be in an active guild. Also you can fill a 6 man with /5 super fast (and if you make a name for yourself of setting up groups often once you log in you start getting PM’s about groups so you don’t even have to look). Too many people consider their dead 3 man guilds (though right now Montague isn’t that much bigger lol) where they group up for two hours a week as ‘normal’ and if we use that to base gear progression on then anyone who actually plays regularly will be BiS and RR on every toon in a week or two.
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Re: Scenario emblems

Post#22 » Fri Nov 15, 2019 4:39 pm

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Direbloodykiller wrote:
Fri Nov 15, 2019 3:33 pm
Flavorburst wrote:
Thu Nov 14, 2019 4:24 pm
carlos wrote:
Thu Nov 14, 2019 3:29 pm



On my main toon, played for 14 days (+some hours and minutes) - dont got full RVR gear
Other toon, played for 9 days (+some hours and minutes) and having the 2-handed weapon oppressor.


Where is the false thing in this? This was ALL i stated. I never claimed it's "a walk in the park", not anywhere.
"it's pretty much established in a previous thread that it really doesn't take that long, time wise"

That's what is false. Your anecdote only shows how you aren't doing what you are supposed to in order to get bags in orvr (Genesis withstanding, because that's a shitshow).

Additionally, you are comparing a full rvr set to 1 weapon. That's a wildly false equivalency, especially since you can luck out, enter a zone, do practically nothing, get a purple bag, and have a near BiS weapon.

Plus, 1500 opps for the weapon isn't really 1500, as you first need to spend 1500 doms to get the 45 weapon. You will probably get around 500-750 passively through quests and drops, but you are probably going to need to convert around 150 or so opps into doms.
It also shows that you don't do your work in SC's (if you now want to compare carlos lack of work in RvR). I guess you got an answer, swinging around with fancy and demeaning words per your normal way.

Also funny that i don't see you challeging Wargrimnirs post where he compare time sink between getting RvR gear and SC gear.
Though you're not alone to chicken out there, nobody gives any facts to this he says (and i don't think it's because he is so scary, it's because he is right).
Ekundu01 wrote:
Thu Nov 14, 2019 6:21 pm
Grock wrote:
Thu Nov 14, 2019 5:17 pm
Pretty sure people did some calculations on how much hours of playtime it takes to get full 45rr weapons and full domi when those were the highest SC weapons, i don't remember exact number but it was **** wild by modern gaming standards.
I imagine oppressor is even worse because you are missing quest rewards...
It takes about 3500 emblems to get full dom and weapon/s. If you win with a 500 and do the quest it is about 11-12 emblems per match. That equals to about 300+ wins ONLY. If each match is 10mins that is 3000 mins = 50 hours of wins. Oppressor mostly only comes from score in scs. Granted you get emblems from kills potentially during the sc so this time can be cut down depending on how many rolls you win but you get the point. Oppressor also takes more emblems to get full set plus weapon compared to Dom set. It takes less actual played time to get the full invader set losing every fort since it takes about 50 forts to get the full set and each fort is 1hour or so it only takes 50 hours of losses in forts to get full invader.

I didn't account for time waiting for SCs to pop either so that would add on to the time it takes to get the full set. Even if you skip getting dom and just go straight to oppressor and weapons, you need to be RR50 or 51 to start earning oppressor instead of conq emblems and convert at least 300 oppressor for the rr45 weapon for the prereq for the rr61 weapon. Added to 1500 for oppressor weapon and about 2300-2500 for gear if you want full set. That is 4300 oppressor emblems. 7 emblems per match = 614 matches. Equals out to be 102 hours of wins. <--- This number is just playing the matches and doesn't include time waiting in the que. The changes to the new brackets may fix time waiting as i see more pops now vs before so this could cut back on time. But even if average wait time is 3mins it is still 30 hours of waiting in a que. Bringing up total play time to get the oppressor set to 132 hours ( IF YOU WIN EVERY MATCH)

Most of the times i did math for are averages and not actual times since your time to win a match may vary as well as your time waiting in the que.
No - please do the math on waiting for SC to pop (and you also takes the worst example from when i don't know).
Also do add the time it takes to got to fort and not only the fortplay (since this is the equivalent of the wait for SC to pop). Like last Saturday (last time when there were a population online to talk about) when it took 18 hours(!) before destro pushed through Reikland to go to fort. Add this to the calculation or keep it under the rug to give your point more validation.
This post is a mess, but I will say a) you're wrong about your assessment, as I have already pointed out in the very posts you quoted, and b) I've challenged warg about this multiple times. It's a dead horse. No amount of math is going to change his mind.

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Re: Scenario emblems

Post#23 » Fri Nov 15, 2019 4:42 pm

Manatikik wrote:
Fri Nov 15, 2019 4:21 pm
Flavorburst wrote:
Fri Nov 15, 2019 12:36 am
Manatikik wrote:
Fri Nov 15, 2019 12:29 am




Meh I did it, really not a lot of work; plus it’s more fun to play with a consistent 6.
Do you consider your play experience with the guild that you have cultivated over the course of a year or so "normal" or anywhere close to average?

Idk what’s so odd about playing with your guildies or at least trying to be in an active guild. Also you can fill a 6 man with /5 super fast (and if you make a name for yourself of setting up groups often once you log in you start getting PM’s about groups so you don’t even have to look). Too many people consider their dead 3 man guilds (though right now Montague isn’t that much bigger lol) where they group up for two hours a week as ‘normal’ and if we use that to base gear progression on then anyone who actually plays regularly will be BiS and RR on every toon in a week or two.
I'm not saying you are particularly wrong that it's possible to poopsock it, what I am saying is that you are an outlier compared to 99% of the server.

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Re: Scenario emblems

Post#24 » Fri Nov 15, 2019 7:23 pm

Flavorburst wrote:
Fri Nov 15, 2019 4:42 pm
Manatikik wrote:
Fri Nov 15, 2019 4:21 pm
Flavorburst wrote:
Fri Nov 15, 2019 12:36 am


Do you consider your play experience with the guild that you have cultivated over the course of a year or so "normal" or anywhere close to average?

Idk what’s so odd about playing with your guildies or at least trying to be in an active guild. Also you can fill a 6 man with /5 super fast (and if you make a name for yourself of setting up groups often once you log in you start getting PM’s about groups so you don’t even have to look). Too many people consider their dead 3 man guilds (though right now Montague isn’t that much bigger lol) where they group up for two hours a week as ‘normal’ and if we use that to base gear progression on then anyone who actually plays regularly will be BiS and RR on every toon in a week or two.
I'm not saying you are particularly wrong that it's possible to poopsock it, what I am saying is that you are an outlier compared to 99% of the server.
I don’t think a couple hours a day can be considered poop socking just cause it’s with a stable group. If you hardcore push it only takes a week or so for the oppressor weapon.
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Re: Scenario emblems

Post#25 » Fri Nov 15, 2019 7:58 pm

Manatikik wrote:
Fri Nov 15, 2019 7:23 pm
Flavorburst wrote:
Fri Nov 15, 2019 4:42 pm
Manatikik wrote:
Fri Nov 15, 2019 4:21 pm



Idk what’s so odd about playing with your guildies or at least trying to be in an active guild. Also you can fill a 6 man with /5 super fast (and if you make a name for yourself of setting up groups often once you log in you start getting PM’s about groups so you don’t even have to look). Too many people consider their dead 3 man guilds (though right now Montague isn’t that much bigger lol) where they group up for two hours a week as ‘normal’ and if we use that to base gear progression on then anyone who actually plays regularly will be BiS and RR on every toon in a week or two.
I'm not saying you are particularly wrong that it's possible to poopsock it, what I am saying is that you are an outlier compared to 99% of the server.
I don’t think a couple hours a day can be considered poop socking just cause it’s with a stable group. If you hardcore push it only takes a week or so for the oppressor weapon.
Yeah, that's the part that's an outlier: having a stable group that wants to do SCs or even log in consistently.

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Ekundu01
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Re: Scenario emblems

Post#26 » Fri Nov 15, 2019 8:04 pm

Direbloodykiller wrote:
Fri Nov 15, 2019 3:33 pm

No - please do the math on waiting for SC to pop (and you also takes the worst example from when i don't know).
Also do add the time it takes to got to fort and not only the fortplay (since this is the equivalent of the wait for SC to pop). Like last Saturday (last time when there were a population online to talk about) when it took 18 hours(!) before destro pushed through Reikland to go to fort. Add this to the calculation or keep it under the rug to give your point more validation.
The problem with doing that math is the time zone you play in. I am mainly NA play time.

The Realm war is always going on, zones are being pushed even when i am not on. For example the other morning before work 2 forts were pushed back to back giving me 10+ invader medals because i jumped on as one fort was going on and we were already set up for a second in less then 30mins to push the second one. So for less then 2 hours of play time i got 2 forts done. If i had tried to play SCs in that same time frame at that time in the morning i would probably be lucky to see more then 2-3 matches before i had to go to work.

Time of day plays a huge factor on how fast you get SC matches. When it is late night NA time and your SC wait time goes from 3mins to 10mins between matches it takes a much longer time to get oppressor emblems. Not everyone can play SCs during prime time so grinding out 4000+ oppressor during long wait times takes ages. Maybe if it had a bonus for wait times for the low pop hours it would be just as good as playing during EU time.

kuj0jotar0
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Re: Scenario emblems

Post#27 » Sat Nov 16, 2019 8:28 am

Grock wrote:
Thu Nov 14, 2019 3:49 pm
kuj0jotar0 wrote:
Wed Nov 13, 2019 4:00 am
Artwork wrote:
Wed Nov 13, 2019 1:23 am
Short answer, you'll start getting better emblems at R40. Longer answer, you won't get Officer Emblems at your Renown Rank, you'll start earning Conqueror Emblems at R40/RR40 (or RR41, can't remember which.) You will be able to convert them down to Officer if you choose to, though.
Whaaaaat? No officer emblems? You go from scout to conqueror? Who tought it was a good idea?

I tell you what I'm doing at 37/40. Since I only get scout emblems when I join a scs I watch team composition, play 5 mins and if my team is not winning I just leave the sc cause it's better to get a 10 mins quitter debuff and go beck questing/farming than getting soldier meds that can be teaded for officer at a 5 to 1 rate lol. Whoever implement this didnt think it throough.

At lvl 31 in lakes I get officer but not in scs? Wtf
Conqs can be converted to officers, read last sentence
1 conq = 5 officers

Who cares if conq can be traded to officer? You don't get conqueror emblems as rewards until you are 40/40 and at that point it's just better to go lakes and try to get subjugate/smuggler and keep your conq for lvl 61 weapons.

I don't understand why at lvl 31/35 you get officer medallion in lakes but in scs you only get soldier emblems untill you are lvl 40/40.

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