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Mordd
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Re: Debate about why Order is how it is.

Post#531 » Wed May 27, 2020 1:49 am

Greenbeast wrote: Tue May 26, 2020 1:16 pm
Mordd wrote: Mon May 25, 2020 11:51 pm
Greenbeast wrote: Mon May 25, 2020 10:18 pm
Do you mean the ability in the middle tree? Nobody runs it. It gimps the damage and you have to stance dance. Most of marauders don't use morale drain anymore. Only way of s reliable morale drain on both sides are WH and WE, SOV ability and SF/BH + BO M4
The moral stop tactic didn't work last time we tested it.
Im hit with the moral drain pretty much every city Ive been in.
if the moral drain is so useless you would be good with changing it to something else or give it to order then.
I haven't said it's useless I've said it gimp your damage to the point that it isn't worth taking if you run it.
And why do you need it on order side when you have a bright wizzard with self pump + burning head M4?
Order win morale game in the longer fights because of solar flare and burning head but indeed you need to draft a warband composition for it.
You have morale drain on order side - WH, Solare Flare and Burning head + SOV 8p bonus.
Try to reconsider your idea of blobing and stacking together because it isn't working that good in cities. It event don't work in orvr anymore.
First off its in the right tree, the same tree as the aoe channel and aoe knockdown.
So you think its ok if one of our classes can get moral, its all good.... really.
Im not sure what part you dont get that we get drained and dont get to M4 without a planed pump. Another example of a no thought 0 effort ability destro has that is game changing and takes multiple order classes working together to try and counter if they even live that long.
you are really trying to compare a 10 sec cooldown for 125, to 25% chance on every hit for a drain of 250, thrown in a moral 4 and 8 piece sov... lmao if we had 8 piece sov we dont need city.
Destro is the blob realm not order.
Try your lame arguments elsewhere.

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Re: Debate about why Order is how it is.

Post#532 » Wed May 27, 2020 3:57 am

Mordd wrote: Wed May 27, 2020 1:49 am
Greenbeast wrote: Tue May 26, 2020 1:16 pm
Mordd wrote: Mon May 25, 2020 11:51 pm

Im hit with the moral drain pretty much every city Ive been in.
if the moral drain is so useless you would be good with changing it to something else or give it to order then.
I haven't said it's useless I've said it gimp your damage to the point that it isn't worth taking if you run it.
And why do you need it on order side when you have a bright wizzard with self pump + burning head M4?
Order win morale game in the longer fights because of solar flare and burning head but indeed you need to draft a warband composition for it.
You have morale drain on order side - WH, Solare Flare and Burning head + SOV 8p bonus.
Try to reconsider your idea of blobing and stacking together because it isn't working that good in cities. It event don't work in orvr anymore.
First off its in the right tree, the same tree as the aoe channel and aoe knockdown.
So you think its ok if one of our classes can get moral, its all good.... really.
Im not sure what part you dont get that we get drained and dont get to M4 without a planed pump. Another example of a no thought 0 effort ability destro has that is game changing and takes multiple order classes working together to try and counter if they even live that long.
you are really trying to compare a 10 sec cooldown for 125, to 25% chance on every hit for a drain of 250, thrown in a moral 4 and 8 piece sov... lmao if we had 8 piece sov we dont need city.
Destro is the blob realm not order.
Try your lame arguments elsewhere.
Yeah, first off, spend 2 seconds looking at the character masteries ingame and not the out of date career builder, the morale drain is attached to wave of terror, the 13 point ability in the middle tree. The morale STOP (Crushing blows) is in the right tree and hasn't worked as intended since the Marauder change last month.

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Re: Debate about why Order is how it is.

Post#533 » Wed May 27, 2020 4:01 am

Mordd wrote: Wed May 27, 2020 1:49 am
Greenbeast wrote: Tue May 26, 2020 1:16 pm
Mordd wrote: Mon May 25, 2020 11:51 pm

Im hit with the moral drain pretty much every city Ive been in.
if the moral drain is so useless you would be good with changing it to something else or give it to order then.
I haven't said it's useless I've said it gimp your damage to the point that it isn't worth taking if you run it.
And why do you need it on order side when you have a bright wizzard with self pump + burning head M4?
Order win morale game in the longer fights because of solar flare and burning head but indeed you need to draft a warband composition for it.
You have morale drain on order side - WH, Solare Flare and Burning head + SOV 8p bonus.
Try to reconsider your idea of blobing and stacking together because it isn't working that good in cities. It event don't work in orvr anymore.
First off its in the right tree, the same tree as the aoe channel and aoe knockdown.
So you think its ok if one of our classes can get moral, its all good.... really.
Im not sure what part you dont get that we get drained and dont get to M4 without a planed pump. Another example of a no thought 0 effort ability destro has that is game changing and takes multiple order classes working together to try and counter if they even live that long.
you are really trying to compare a 10 sec cooldown for 125, to 25% chance on every hit for a drain of 250, thrown in a moral 4 and 8 piece sov... lmao if we had 8 piece sov we dont need city.
Destro is the blob realm not order.
Try your lame arguments elsewhere.
Mara morale drain is the middle tree. You sure post a lot for having no idea what you're talking about.

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Re: Debate about why Order is how it is.

Post#534 » Wed May 27, 2020 4:54 am

Mordd wrote: Wed May 27, 2020 1:49 am Another example of a no thought 0 effort ability destro has that is game changing and takes multiple order classes working together to try and counter if they even live that long.
Exactly what we are told each time we ask for a WL nerf (game is not solo you are supposed to get guard/heals/peels or else your fault if you get bullied). An other order hypocrite basically.

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Re: Debate about why Order is how it is.

Post#535 » Wed May 27, 2020 6:54 am

wargrimnir wrote: Tue May 26, 2020 7:12 pm
CountTalabecland wrote: Tue May 26, 2020 5:31 pm The pugs who brainlessly spam RDPS are not bright enough or care enough to read these walls of text ppl are putting here so this whole thread is wasted time.

Only chance to save Order is to implement hard locks on playing so many RDPS. Maybe ppl would mass quit if that happened and they couldn't play their SW Legolas wannabe, idk.

Its that or accept that you have a massive handicap playing pug order/non-premade and its never going to change. Its been what, 12 years? You're not going to be able to reason idiots into not being idiots, "they play what they want to play."
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Re: Debate about why Order is how it is.

Post#536 » Wed May 27, 2020 7:13 am

Order 7 - 7 Destro

Order OP ... nerf nerf :roll: 8-)

If destro was so op according to some posters how can something like this happen? destro getting outskilled en mass? or the balance is alot closer than people make it out to be and maybe a couple more destro premades was sleeping :twisted:
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Re: Debate about why Order is how it is.

Post#537 » Wed May 27, 2020 7:17 am

Mordd wrote: Wed May 27, 2020 1:49 am
Greenbeast wrote: Tue May 26, 2020 1:16 pm
Mordd wrote: Mon May 25, 2020 11:51 pm

Im hit with the moral drain pretty much every city Ive been in.
if the moral drain is so useless you would be good with changing it to something else or give it to order then.
I haven't said it's useless I've said it gimp your damage to the point that it isn't worth taking if you run it.
And why do you need it on order side when you have a bright wizzard with self pump + burning head M4?
Order win morale game in the longer fights because of solar flare and burning head but indeed you need to draft a warband composition for it.
You have morale drain on order side - WH, Solare Flare and Burning head + SOV 8p bonus.
Try to reconsider your idea of blobing and stacking together because it isn't working that good in cities. It event don't work in orvr anymore.
First off its in the right tree, the same tree as the aoe channel and aoe knockdown.
So you think its ok if one of our classes can get moral, its all good.... really.
Im not sure what part you dont get that we get drained and dont get to M4 without a planed pump. Another example of a no thought 0 effort ability destro has that is game changing and takes multiple order classes working together to try and counter if they even live that long.
you are really trying to compare a 10 sec cooldown for 125, to 25% chance on every hit for a drain of 250, thrown in a moral 4 and 8 piece sov... lmao if we had 8 piece sov we dont need city.
Destro is the blob realm not order.
Try your lame arguments elsewhere.
What are you 12?

M0rw47h
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Re: Debate about why Order is how it is.

Post#538 » Wed May 27, 2020 7:29 am

Wam wrote: Wed May 27, 2020 7:13 am Order 7 - 7 Destro

Order OP ... nerf nerf :roll: 8-)

If destro was so op according to some posters how can something like this happen? destro getting outskilled en mass? or the balance is alot closer than people make it out to be and maybe a couple more destro premades was sleeping :twisted:
It's kinda funny you take early morning as evidence, when there is mostly PUG vs PUG gameplay at those hours (usualy PUGs can't use their tools properly), while yday mid day was like 5-12 for Destro.

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Re: Debate about why Order is how it is.

Post#539 » Wed May 27, 2020 7:30 am

M0rw47h wrote: Wed May 27, 2020 7:29 am
Wam wrote: Wed May 27, 2020 7:13 am Order 7 - 7 Destro

Order OP ... nerf nerf :roll: 8-)

If destro was so op according to some posters how can something like this happen? destro getting outskilled en mass? or the balance is alot closer than people make it out to be and maybe a couple more destro premades was sleeping :twisted:
It's kinda funny you take early morning as evidence, when there is mostly PUG vs PUG gameplay at those hours (usualy PUGs can't use their tools properly), while yday mid day was like 5-12 for Destro.
Early morning cities are the majority of cities. . .
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Re: Debate about why Order is how it is.

Post#540 » Wed May 27, 2020 7:31 am

I agree with that. The fountain area is pretty much perfectly mirrored for both sides. I think the kings fight slightly closer to Destro spawn in the IC fountain but that is trivial to move compared to balancing the palaces.
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