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Re: A dps shaman post

Post#11 » Tue Jun 30, 2020 6:48 pm

sogeou wrote:
Tue Jun 30, 2020 6:36 pm
thedonkeykong332 wrote:
Tue Jun 30, 2020 6:27 pm
sogeou wrote:
Tue Jun 30, 2020 5:30 pm


It was closed as all his other whine threads. They last about a few hours or a day.
Feel free to give me one good reason btw, why WL on top of everything it has already, should also have a 10 sec root, and don't tell me mara has one don't go down this road again. I'm waiting.

Why should the shaman have an auto detaunt / speed tactic and a 60% snare all while melting someones face off. Why can't we put a solid internal cooldown on both procs.


The WL moral is really only needed for shaman, so if you remove those broken OP shaman tactics, no need for M1 root. M1 root is balanced and nothing wrong with it. It was perfectly fine in LIVE and nobody cried about it. Same with WL damage, because it was not the strongest damage as WE/WH were the DPS kings.

All the problems you are talking about are related to people in BIS gear killing others.
A shaman doesn't melt people if he uses detaunt + run away tactic, that's the difference. you have a melt spec and u have sustain spec it cant be both. in melt u die to wl in the sustain u can still die to wl, depends on many things, and after testing it the auto detaunt seems completely useless vs a wl nevertheless.
M1 root maybe balanced on mara, but it's for sure not balanced on WL that has everything already, u have 10 sec leap, pull 2kds, pet why do u need on top of everything another 10 sec root?? which cant be dispelled only by an m2. how's M2 a counter to an M1 is this balance to you??
A slayer on my post, order faction, posted that he can catch rdpsers and he doesn't understand why WLS on top of everything they already have need a root, so please, find me a good reason why.
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Re: A dps shaman post

Post#12 » Tue Jun 30, 2020 6:53 pm

wargrimnir wrote:
Tue Jun 30, 2020 6:37 pm
Have you considered perhaps it's more a factor of people being unable to respectfully discuss a topic rather than the content of the topic itself? Perhaps opening a thread entirely predicated on trolling and bait isn't something we're going to encourage.
I don't see how opening a thread about how WLS are, is trolling or encouraging trolling in anyway.
People attack me personally because they are narrow minded, they have nothing better to say so they try to troll, that's how it works.
Your job is to moderate the trolling, but instead I get warnings about trying to defend myself from such behaviour, maybe you should mitigate people's trolling instead of bashing the guy trying to defend himself.

WLS posts were opened in the past not only by me, and shut down by you, and there will be more posts in the future because this class as it is right now *Broken*.

Your job is to stop the toxic and trolling behaviour on the forums, if there is toxic behaviour from people personally attacking other's from simply stating facts, that's because you allow it. Maybe you should work better on how to stop this instead of bashing me for posting relevant stuff.

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Re: A dps shaman post

Post#13 » Tue Jun 30, 2020 7:06 pm

thedonkeykong332 wrote:
Tue Jun 30, 2020 6:48 pm

M1 root maybe balanced on mara, but it's for sure not balanced on WL that has everything already, u have 10 sec leap, pull 2kds, pet why do u need on top of everything another 10 sec root?? which cant be dispelled only by an m2. how's M2 a counter to an M1 is this balance to you??
A slayer on my post, order faction, posted that he can catch rdpsers and he doesn't understand why WLS on top of everything they already have need a root, so please, find me a good reason why.


1. 10 second pounce is not OP. So, not sure why you listed that. It cost a large amount of AP which after the first burst rotation the WL will have almost none.

2. They don't have 2 KD's, you may want to say the pull is a CC, but the fact is Mara has the same thing and also the broken Choppa pull which never triggers immovable most times, so you can get pulled twice.

3. M1 is only strong to healers, which can use m2 to get out. Melee and Tanks have root break. Not anyone's fault if you don't save it to get away.

I get rooted all the time by Mara's and always root break. Champ's Challenge is the only root which cannot be broken.

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Re: A dps shaman post

Post#14 » Tue Jun 30, 2020 7:09 pm

Another hundred posts of people arguing about White Lion isn't changing anyones opinions on the topic. It's a dead topic filled with issues we're very familiar with already. Any change, or lack of change, is hardly reflective of increasingly hostile threads on the subject. Rather those changes or lack of changes are based more around internal discussion. Public pressure for change is a terrible method to enable balance changes. Instead, we much more frequently use well crafted suggestions in the balance forum rather than digging through 100 posts of increasingly hostile arguments on the forums. It is very clear there are people whose opinion on the class will not change until it is gutted, which isn't an option. We've gone through that cycle in the past, and the class was largely useless because of it. Any minor changes will show up in the patch notes, it's not a topic we're unfamiliar with.

If threads get out of control, they'll be locked or moved to archive. The fact that you've been warned over behavior in the last thread means you should probably avoid the exact same behavior in the future, or you will accumulate warnings and eventually be removed from the forums. The fact that you were warned does not exclude whether OTHER people have been warned. Naturally, these warnings are private for each player. They're not intended to be a red letter they have to wear anytime they post in the eyes of the rest of the community. That's why you can't see other peoples warnings.
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Re: A dps shaman post

Post#15 » Tue Jun 30, 2020 7:13 pm

sogeou wrote:
Tue Jun 30, 2020 7:06 pm
thedonkeykong332 wrote:
Tue Jun 30, 2020 6:48 pm

M1 root maybe balanced on mara, but it's for sure not balanced on WL that has everything already, u have 10 sec leap, pull 2kds, pet why do u need on top of everything another 10 sec root?? which cant be dispelled only by an m2. how's M2 a counter to an M1 is this balance to you??
A slayer on my post, order faction, posted that he can catch rdpsers and he doesn't understand why WLS on top of everything they already have need a root, so please, find me a good reason why.


1. 10 second pounce is not OP. So, not sure why you listed that. It cost a large amount of AP which after the first burst rotation the WL will have almost none.

2. They don't have 2 KD's, you may want to say the pull is a CC, but the fact is Mara has the same thing and also the broken Choppa pull which never triggers immovable most times, so you can get pulled twice.

3. M1 is only strong to healers, which can use m2 to get out. Melee and Tanks have root break. Not anyone's fault if you don't save it to get away.

I get rooted all the time by Mara's and always root break. Champ's Challenge is the only root which cannot be broken.
You clearly don't like to read.
No one said Leap is op
What op is, you have everything already on top of that a root too, that is broken&op. for a class that has slow,silence,kds,leap,pull it doesn't need a 10 sec root too!!!

You like to compare mara to WLs, but mara doesn't deal so much burst as much as WL does, and doesn't have the mobility as well or a pet, that's why comparing them is just wrong, just because mara has root, doesn't mean WL needs a root too.
Go duel a WL, maybe this will get through your head already, since you like defending them so much. when I mean a WL I mean a proper one, that can control his class.

and on my respone to the shaman as I wrote, I have to choose what I want to do while WLS don't need to choose anything, they can do everything in any spec. and Yeah they can do great damage on solo targets as well in aoe spec.

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Re: A dps shaman post

Post#16 » Tue Jun 30, 2020 7:25 pm

thedonkeykong332 wrote:
Tue Jun 30, 2020 7:13 pm

and on my respone to the shaman as I wrote, I have to choose what I want to do while WLS don't need to choose anything, they can do everything in any spec. and Yeah they can do great damage on solo targets as well in aoe spec.
Same is true for the WL, you don't even understand it. WL's AOE spec is nothing like the single target spec. Their AOE is SW level without being spec'ed for AoE. So, there is your problem thinking they have everything when in fact they don't. If you die to an AoE WL, I don't know what to say to you.

I love the SW class / SH class because of all the tools they have. Both of those classes have more tools and great burst and good mobility. You just don't have issues with them because you don't die to them.

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Re: A dps shaman post

Post#17 » Tue Jun 30, 2020 7:28 pm

sogeou wrote:
Tue Jun 30, 2020 7:25 pm
thedonkeykong332 wrote:
Tue Jun 30, 2020 7:13 pm

and on my respone to the shaman as I wrote, I have to choose what I want to do while WLS don't need to choose anything, they can do everything in any spec. and Yeah they can do great damage on solo targets as well in aoe spec.
Same is true for the WL, you don't even understand it. WL's AOE spec is nothing like the single target spec. Their AOE is SW level without being spec'ed for AoE. So, there is your problem thinking they have everything when in fact they don't. If you die to an AoE WL, I don't know what to say to you.

I love the SW class / SH class because of all the tools they have. Both of those classes have more tools and great burst and good mobility. You just don't have issues with them because you don't die to them.
I don't die to aoe wls, im just saying even aoe wls are strong as single target that is broken.
But regardless of this
You still haven't explained.

WL as aoe melee burst class, has leap pet,kds,silence,pull,huge burst. + speed.
You can catch up already, and kill and run away.
Why do you need m1 root on top of all that? if you can actually find 1 good reason why without involving maras because this argument is completely invalid be my guest.

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Re: A dps shaman post

Post#18 » Tue Jun 30, 2020 7:36 pm

thedonkeykong332 wrote:
Tue Jun 30, 2020 6:48 pm
A shaman doesn't melt people if he uses detaunt + run away tactic, that's the difference. you have a melt spec and u have sustain spec it cant be both.
Um... are you complaining about dying in a glass canon spec? For serious ? :shock:
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Re: A dps shaman post

Post#19 » Tue Jun 30, 2020 7:40 pm

thedonkeykong332 wrote:
Tue Jun 30, 2020 7:28 pm

I don't die to aoe wls, im just saying even aoe wls are strong as single target that is broken.
But regardless of this
You still haven't explained.

WL as aoe melee burst class, has leap pet,kds,silence,pull,huge burst. + speed.
You can catch up already, and kill and run away.
Why do you need m1 root on top of all that? if you can actually find 1 good reason why without involving maras because this argument is completely invalid be my guest.
Because most WL's go pet less AOE because the pet dies in seconds. So, they don't have this OP pull, they don't have a KD, they don't have a silence. Most are loaner because 25% more damage and perma pounce is better. So, there you go again with not knowing the specs and just think they have everything. Just go play Order for a month and see how things are. Go play a DPS AM. Just do it for a month. I almost feel everyone should be forced to play both side.

Or go roll a WL and when you get kited to death by a Shaman, I am sure you will be back here. Or will you get pulled into the zerg when you ran into the keep 2 seconds ago from a Choppa. Or getting double pulled by a choppa.

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Re: A dps shaman post

Post#20 » Tue Jun 30, 2020 7:48 pm

sogeou wrote:
Tue Jun 30, 2020 7:40 pm
thedonkeykong332 wrote:
Tue Jun 30, 2020 7:28 pm

I don't die to aoe wls, im just saying even aoe wls are strong as single target that is broken.
But regardless of this
You still haven't explained.

WL as aoe melee burst class, has leap pet,kds,silence,pull,huge burst. + speed.
You can catch up already, and kill and run away.
Why do you need m1 root on top of all that? if you can actually find 1 good reason why without involving maras because this argument is completely invalid be my guest.
Because most WL's go pet less AOE because the pet dies in seconds. So, they don't have this OP pull, they don't have a KD, they don't have a silence. Most are loaner because 25% more damage and perma pounce is better. So, there you go again with not knowing the specs and just think they have everything. Just go play Order for a month and see how things are. Go play a DPS AM. Just do it for a month. I almost feel everyone should be forced to play both side.

Or go roll a WL and when you get kited to death by a Shaman, I am sure you will be back here. Or will you get pulled into the zerg when you ran into the keep 2 seconds ago from a Choppa. Or getting double pulled by a choppa.
"Because most wl's go pet less aoe"
Well there you go, you have a choice either go pet or go pet less, why you need the root? you want to catch people good. be with the pet, you want to be aoe and WB play? Good no pet, now you can decide! you gain something give up something else, you know the word *balance* right?
So no need to be a snowflake when I just want to have a balance.

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