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Nekkma
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Re: Fort Win Rate Tracker

Post#41 » Sun Oct 18, 2020 10:45 am

The difference in aoe dmg pressure is very noticable in fort. Last week I played forts on both sides (destro shaman and bo, both 80+, and order 50ish AM in anni/conq mix and SM, rr 39 in greens and 2 anni). I have a harder time to both heal and survive on destro despite having alot better gear.

I have also noticed in the 6 forts i did as order during the week that order got just as shitty pug wbs as destro (solo healed my group in all 3 forts i did on am).
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Re: Fort Win Rate Tracker

Post#42 » Sun Oct 18, 2020 11:10 am

Nekkma wrote:
Sun Oct 18, 2020 10:45 am
The difference in aoe dmg pressure is very noticable in fort. Last week I played forts on both sides (destro shaman and bo, both 80+, and order 50ish AM in anni/conq mix and SM, rr 39 in greens and 2 anni). I have a harder time to both heal and survive on destro despite having alot better gear.

I have also noticed in the 6 forts i did as order during the week that order got just as shitty pug wbs as destro (solo healed my group in all 3 forts i did on am).
The very thing Destru has been arguing for weeks. This google doc is just proving it further. Past 11 forts - 9 order wins, 2 destru wins.
Anyone trying to claim "order is just more organised" are just being ignorant.

Thanks for your input Nekkma. Hopefully this gets to devs attention that SOMETHING has to be done asap.

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Re: Fort Win Rate Tracker

Post#43 » Sun Oct 18, 2020 11:22 am

I will add some points of view from a 100% order player:
-Destro only can win a zone doing zerg, and zerg don't work in fortress becase numbers are similar.
-Destro don't play objectives, they like love ganking people aproaching at keeps, but don't like defend/attack the keeps -or do it only when they have a lot of more players-.
-Destro play a lot of WE, and Shaman DPS. I'm bored to find groups of 4-6 of this players roaming and hunting people when they are running to play a fortress/city. Destro form WB and guilds only from WE and Shaman DPS... you can't do nothing with this.
-Destro don't fill the fortress. In this weekend, the destro's fortress population was not full when a fortress start, but at the same time, in RVR they have +200 players in another zone. If the population is 33% of each class when the reservations are sent, and the destro leave the fortress, the will have a lot of DPS and lack of Heals and Tanks, and Order have a balanced composition
-A lot of destro players leaves the fortress if they can't see an easy victory in Stage 2-3.
-We have order pride, and i can't see this in destro side.

So the problem is not the "order buffs" and "destro nerfs", is it the game style of the destro players.
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Re: Fort Win Rate Tracker

Post#44 » Sun Oct 18, 2020 11:37 am

Kpi wrote:
Sun Oct 18, 2020 11:22 am
I will add some points of view from a 100% order player:
-Destro only can win a zone doing zerg, and zerg don't work in fortress becase numbers are similar.
-Destro don't play objectives, they like love ganking people aproaching at keeps, but don't like defend/attack the keeps -or do it only when they have a lot of more players-.
-Destro play a lot of WE, and Shaman DPS. I'm bored to find groups of 4-6 of this players roaming and hunting people when they are running to play a fortress/city. Destro form WB and guilds only from WE and Shaman DPS... you can't do nothing with this.
-Destro don't fill the fortress. In this weekend, the destro's fortress population was not full when a fortress start, but at the same time, in RVR they have +200 players in another zone. If the population is 33% of each class when the reservations are sent, and the destro leave the fortress, the will have a lot of DPS and lack of Heals and Tanks, and Order have a balanced composition
-A lot of destro players leaves the fortress if they can't see an easy victory in Stage 2-3.
-We have order pride, and i can't see this in destro side.

So the problem is not the "order buffs" and "destro nerfs", is it the game style of the destro players.
-Destro only can win a zone doing zerg, and zerg don't work in fortress becase numbers are similar.

If Destru only wins zerg, why are we still doing great in cities? Why does Destru have a far higher winrate in the 6v6 weekend SC?
And even if we played with the thought and we only won zerging, don't you think thats a problem? A faction shouldn't only be winning when zerging.
Even tho i think that statement is 100% false.

-Destro don't play objectives, they like love ganking people aproaching at keeps, but don't like defend/attack the keeps -or do it only when they have a lot of more players-.

This is also very false. We have had plenty of times where we siege just to lure order over there, so we can siege another zone. Hell this is being suggested many times.
We also do objectives all the time. Alot of supply running wbs. Im pretty sure Cueleen could even agree there, her wbs do most supply running.
Nothing mean towards her or anything, she contributes alot for us.

-Destro play a lot of WE, and Shaman DPS. I'm bored to find groups of 4-6 of this players roaming and hunting people when they are running to play a fortress/city. Destro form WB and guilds only from WE and Shaman DPS... you can't do nothing with this.

Right because Order never touches WH? Order never plays dps AM?
Theres plenty of AM and WH roaming, i see small grps of them all the time. Ask Kurbs what hes doing while you guys are doing fort.
He tried to gank us while we ran to fort.
So trying to claim that only 1 faction does this, is just plainly false. Because Order does it just as much.

-Destro don't fill the fortress. In this weekend, the destro's fortress population was not full when a fortress start, but at the same time, in RVR they have +200 players in another zone. If the population is 33% of each class when the reservations are sent, and the destro leave the fortress, the will have a lot of DPS and lack of Heals and Tanks, and Order have a balanced composition

We do fill forts, i've seen atleast 9/11 of these forts that has been data by Zijgits. I just missed these 2 forts last night before IC city.
I have never seen a fort not filled at the start while seeing 200+ in another zone, i don't see that being true, unless you have actual screenshots to prove this? Or just making stuff up?
I can't agree with this.
Also it's not taking 33% of each class. It "tries" to prioritise it, but it's not at all accurate. Not even remotely close. And Nekkma above just said aswell, that you guys don't get 33% of each either.


-A lot of destro players leaves the fortress if they can't see an easy victory in Stage 2-3.

We leave the fort, when we know it's a clear loss. Alot of destru have lost the will to actually try. Which you seriously cannot blame them. When you have a weekend with 7 reikwald loss a while ago, you can't blame destru for losing hope in forts.
And even when we do get 2-3 organised 2/2/2 wb, talking between eachother. Still melting to the insane aoe dmg, you can't blame ppl for giving up eventually. It's going to happen.
Your experience as mentioned in your arguments are imo only based on the last few forts if anything. When the Destru "pride" and "will to try" has been broken down by 20+ losses with 2-3 wins inbetween.
I know that, because i participate in pretty much all of them, to have even the slightest chance to get some invader.

-We have order pride, and i can't see this in destro side.

Both have pride for sure. And "can't see this", you don't even play the damn faction, how would you?

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Re: Fort Win Rate Tracker

Post#45 » Sun Oct 18, 2020 11:39 am

Just for those short memory order players who forgot how forts were before Destro started getting the heavy nerfs.
Destro was winnings forts prior to nerf to morals, morals was what Destro needed to meet order raw power. Manny threads about this and confirming only win condition Destro had, but magically order forget after the moral nerf.
Numerous other Destro focused nerfs to balance 2-2-2 Destro warbands vs solo pugs to get a 50-50 win rate

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Re: Fort Win Rate Tracker

Post#46 » Sun Oct 18, 2020 12:07 pm

Acidic wrote:
Sun Oct 18, 2020 11:39 am
Just for those short memory order players who forgot how forts were before Destro started getting the heavy nerfs.
Destro was winnings forts prior to nerf to morals, morals was what Destro needed to meet order raw power. Manny threads about this and confirming only win condition Destro had, but magically order forget after the moral nerf.
Numerous other Destro focused nerfs to balance 2-2-2 Destro warbands vs solo pugs to get a 50-50 win rate
Dont forget city too. When I started this game up this year Destro morale bombs were devastating, but with each subsequent nerf to morale pumping, mSHs, and Marauder aoe, the gap between Destro and Order grew closer.
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Re: Fort Win Rate Tracker

Post#47 » Sun Oct 18, 2020 12:22 pm

Kpi wrote:
Sun Oct 18, 2020 11:22 am
I will add some points of view from a 100% order player:
-Destro only can win a zone doing zerg, and zerg don't work in fortress becase numbers are similar.
-Destro don't play objectives, they like love ganking people aproaching at keeps, but don't like defend/attack the keeps -or do it only when they have a lot of more players-.
-Destro play a lot of WE, and Shaman DPS. I'm bored to find groups of 4-6 of this players roaming and hunting people when they are running to play a fortress/city. Destro form WB and guilds only from WE and Shaman DPS... you can't do nothing with this.
-Destro don't fill the fortress. In this weekend, the destro's fortress population was not full when a fortress start, but at the same time, in RVR they have +200 players in another zone. If the population is 33% of each class when the reservations are sent, and the destro leave the fortress, the will have a lot of DPS and lack of Heals and Tanks, and Order have a balanced composition
-A lot of destro players leaves the fortress if they can't see an easy victory in Stage 2-3.
-We have order pride, and i can't see this in destro side.

So the problem is not the "order buffs" and "destro nerfs", is it the game style of the destro players.
For someone that plays "100% Order" you sure have made a lot of assumptions about Destro that you can't back up with evidence.

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Re: Fort Win Rate Tracker

Post#48 » Sun Oct 18, 2020 12:43 pm

By pride he meant, more already geared people go into Forts, which is true. I remember some guild leader playin Slayer begging for throws, but after he got his gear, he found pride.
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Re: Fort Win Rate Tracker

Post#49 » Sun Oct 18, 2020 12:47 pm

zij83 wrote:
Sun Oct 18, 2020 12:22 pm
Kpi wrote:
Sun Oct 18, 2020 11:22 am
I will add some points of view from a 100% order player:
-Destro only can win a zone doing zerg, and zerg don't work in fortress becase numbers are similar.
-Destro don't play objectives, they like love ganking people aproaching at keeps, but don't like defend/attack the keeps -or do it only when they have a lot of more players-.
-Destro play a lot of WE, and Shaman DPS. I'm bored to find groups of 4-6 of this players roaming and hunting people when they are running to play a fortress/city. Destro form WB and guilds only from WE and Shaman DPS... you can't do nothing with this.
-Destro don't fill the fortress. In this weekend, the destro's fortress population was not full when a fortress start, but at the same time, in RVR they have +200 players in another zone. If the population is 33% of each class when the reservations are sent, and the destro leave the fortress, the will have a lot of DPS and lack of Heals and Tanks, and Order have a balanced composition
-A lot of destro players leaves the fortress if they can't see an easy victory in Stage 2-3.
-We have order pride, and i can't see this in destro side.

So the problem is not the "order buffs" and "destro nerfs", is it the game style of the destro players.
For someone that plays "100% Order" you sure have made a lot of assumptions about Destro that you can't back up with evidence.
You only need check the Destro's Twicht of yesterday and find evidences of all this, is easy. All is recorded
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Re: Fort Win Rate Tracker

Post#50 » Sun Oct 18, 2020 1:02 pm

Acidic wrote:
Sun Oct 18, 2020 11:39 am
Just for those short memory order players who forgot how forts were before Destro started getting the heavy nerfs.
Destro was winnings forts prior to nerf to morals, morals was what Destro needed to meet order raw power. Manny threads about this and confirming only win condition Destro had, but magically order forget after the moral nerf.
Numerous other Destro focused nerfs to balance 2-2-2 Destro warbands vs solo pugs to get a 50-50 win rate
Destro had no problem with Forts after Morale nerf , don't know what game you were playing, they only have problems now that the ratio of attacker defenders has changed which is only in the last month or two

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