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Manatikik
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Re: MSH -

Post#21 » Tue Dec 01, 2020 3:50 pm

Rapzel wrote:
Tue Dec 01, 2020 2:38 pm
Krima wrote:
Tue Dec 01, 2020 2:27 pm
mSW
The log below says it all, im a WE 5 sov/ 3 victorius - Futile Strike 3 = -17 reduction crit rate
Kelan is a 5 walord / 3 sent mSW

Ok ok, many will say balance its not torward 1v1 situations...but the log below translate easily to Scenarios, 6v6, rankeds etc.
The assault istance its completly broken atm.. the bonus for Parry strikethrough + parry + 65% + on AA dmg is beyond OP, crit, meele power.. Its free bonuses all over + whatever they get from sets, weapons, rr
Fight a decent player like Kelan and its so easy to notice that something is way off.

Tier list for mdps in order side (ranked and scenarios wise)

S - mSW
A - Slayer
B - WL / mWP
C -
D -
E - WH

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Maybe try a spec that is not complete and utter garbage?
You're playing the same way against every career instead of adapting to the career you're up against.
Carnage sucks against high armor targets always has done, it's a no brain leveling build.
SW doesn't not win a 1vs1 Vs a WE with any skill, because you have a 3 sec KD with big damage AW spam that ignores the SWs armor.
And god forbid that a spec or a career has a weakness.

mWP above WH?
aSW above slayer?
Really?

Shhh let the WE’s pretend they don’t have the highest ST damage in the game. It’s ok, they can’t hurt you when you’re on Des.
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Nishka
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Re: MSH -

Post#22 » Tue Dec 01, 2020 4:14 pm

Is it true that MeleeSH can dish out about 8-10k burst in 3 seconds? Can anyone test/confirm?
Because if they do, that's waaaay more than Sorc who deals about 5-7k burst.
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Hardkoar
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Re: MSH -

Post#23 » Tue Dec 01, 2020 4:15 pm

Manatikik wrote:
Tue Dec 01, 2020 3:50 pm
Spoiler:
Rapzel wrote:
Tue Dec 01, 2020 2:38 pm
Krima wrote:
Tue Dec 01, 2020 2:27 pm
mSW
The log below says it all, im a WE 5 sov/ 3 victorius - Futile Strike 3 = -17 reduction crit rate
Kelan is a 5 walord / 3 sent mSW

Ok ok, many will say balance its not torward 1v1 situations...but the log below translate easily to Scenarios, 6v6, rankeds etc.
The assault istance its completly broken atm.. the bonus for Parry strikethrough + parry + 65% + on AA dmg is beyond OP, crit, meele power.. Its free bonuses all over + whatever they get from sets, weapons, rr
Fight a decent player like Kelan and its so easy to notice that something is way off.

Tier list for mdps in order side (ranked and scenarios wise)

S - mSW
A - Slayer
B - WL / mWP
C -
D -
E - WH

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Maybe try a spec that is not complete and utter garbage?
You're playing the same way against every career instead of adapting to the career you're up against.
Carnage sucks against high armor targets always has done, it's a no brain leveling build.
SW doesn't not win a 1vs1 Vs a WE with any skill, because you have a 3 sec KD with big damage AW spam that ignores the SWs armor.
And god forbid that a spec or a career has a weakness.

mWP above WH?
aSW above slayer?
Really?
Shhh let the WE’s pretend they don’t have the highest ST damage in the game. It’s ok, they can’t hurt you when you’re on Des.
They don't, so please quit the sarcastic take on this serious issue. Please stay on topic, the MSH needs to be fixed before the devs move to work on another class.
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Sponn
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Re: MSH -

Post#24 » Tue Dec 01, 2020 4:23 pm

I for one think Squig herder having one of the best slowdown puddles in the game and the best disengagement tactic in the game while having a default knockdown, snare, and disarm and access to ranged abilties and a ranged pet that can run and attack through walls is totally fine and requires a lot of skill to play.

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Hardkoar
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Re: MSH -

Post#25 » Tue Dec 01, 2020 4:36 pm

U forgot the pet bodyguarding you.

Atropik
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Re: MSH -

Post#26 » Tue Dec 01, 2020 4:45 pm

Sponn wrote:
Tue Dec 01, 2020 4:23 pm
I for one think Squig herder having one of the best slowdown puddles in the game and the best disengagement tactic in the game while having a default knockdown, snare, and disarm and access to ranged abilties and a ranged pet that can run and attack through walls is totally fine and requires a lot of skill to play.

/s
Well, yes xd
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Foltestik
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Re: MSH -

Post#27 » Tue Dec 01, 2020 5:15 pm

- but mSH if wanna burst must play with pet and if you met 2 slayers premade in SC than pet cant survive
- and over all you have 4+1 (that one with pet only) dps ability and 4 are in CD and one spamable do shity dmg if you get any CD increaser you are **** up, MSH realy need any more abilitys (maybee that two melee ability what you can use outside squig make usable in squig too)


and maybee little flex and answer to mSH burst ( no liminnet no special respec, but with M1)

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Ugle
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Re: MSH -

Post#28 » Tue Dec 01, 2020 5:34 pm

Got hit by a few spine fling crits yesterday of about 1150dmg. On top of everything else. Probably armor debuffed, so at about 3k armor. Squig beast m1 ftw
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Krima
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Re: MSH -

Post#29 » Tue Dec 01, 2020 5:36 pm

Rapzel wrote:
Tue Dec 01, 2020 2:38 pm
Krima wrote:
Tue Dec 01, 2020 2:27 pm
mSW
The log below says it all, im a WE 5 sov/ 3 victorius - Futile Strike 3 = -17 reduction crit rate
Kelan is a 5 walord / 3 sent mSW

Ok ok, many will say balance its not torward 1v1 situations...but the log below translate easily to Scenarios, 6v6, rankeds etc.
The assault istance its completly broken atm.. the bonus for Parry strikethrough + parry + 65% + on AA dmg is beyond OP, crit, meele power.. Its free bonuses all over + whatever they get from sets, weapons, rr
Fight a decent player like Kelan and its so easy to notice that something is way off.

Tier list for mdps in order side (ranked and scenarios wise)

S - mSW
A - Slayer
B - WL / mWP
C -
D -
E - WH

Image
Maybe try a spec that is not complete and utter garbage?
You're playing the same way against every career instead of adapting to the career you're up against.
Carnage sucks against high armor targets always has done, it's a no brain leveling build.
SW doesn't not win a 1vs1 Vs a WE with any skill, because you have a 3 sec KD with big damage AW spam that ignores the SWs armor. :roll:
And god forbid that a spec or a career has a weakness.

mWP above WH? YES
aSW above slayer? Yes, at least Slayers can be burst down to death besides they doing great dmg. They are killable
Really? Do you even play WH ranked? WH is the least wining class on order side for ranked...they get smoked left and right all the day.
Lol, "carnage sucks against high armor target" :lol:
good luck spaming AW versus a mSW on 50+% parry. SPAM AW build will only do dmg if you land AW, also WE AA hiting for low 100s its a joke.
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Rapzel
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Re: MSH -

Post#30 » Tue Dec 01, 2020 5:43 pm

Krima wrote:
Tue Dec 01, 2020 5:36 pm
Lol, "carnage sucks against high armor target" :lol:
good luck spaming AW versus a mSW on 50+% parry. SPAM AW build will only do dmg if you land AW, also WE AA hiting for low 100s its a joke.
First you can only parry from the front, AW spam is done from the back for obvious reasons.
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third, you use 2 Pierce armor, 1 RA, 1 Black lotus, 1 OYK! and 2 openers in 20 secs and don't swap Kisses.
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