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ByzantineTime
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Shield DOK / WP

Post#1 » Sun Jan 17, 2021 9:16 pm

Hi guys,
A mind off all the SH rant going on lately, I wonder if the devs can take a look at shield DOKS/WPS, in small scale they look extremely broken, they deal a lot of damage helping DPS , and healing a lot as well, their numbers in healing reach more than healers' and DPS too. Particular example ivyans out dpses, dps class, to me it seems very broken and a team that has one most likely to win a ranked scenario, not even talking about 2, if a class has a pet very ez heals for that shielded guy, if not great DPS will be added against the focused target.

I wonder if this can looked into, for all the defenders that will come out fast to defend this build, it's really broken please don't.

Thanks have a pleasant night eu folks and good day Americans :)

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VindicoAtrum
Posts: 130

Re: Shield DOK / WP

Post#2 » Sun Jan 17, 2021 9:52 pm

Both are fine, neither need looking at or nerfing.

Mergrim
Posts: 67

Re: Shield DOK / WP

Post#3 » Sun Jan 17, 2021 9:54 pm

VindicoAtrum wrote:
Sun Jan 17, 2021 9:52 pm
Both are fine, neither need looking at or nerfing.
Nope they are not fine, heal debuff should work on them like on fury of da green or energy of vaul.

Sulorie
Posts: 5241

Re: Shield DOK / WP

Post#4 » Sun Jan 17, 2021 10:00 pm

Mergrim wrote:
Sun Jan 17, 2021 9:54 pm
VindicoAtrum wrote:
Sun Jan 17, 2021 9:52 pm
Both are fine, neither need looking at or nerfing.
Nope they are not fine, heal debuff should work on them like on fury of da green or energy of vaul.
Healdebuff does not work on FODG.

There is counter play, tanks just have to do their job.
Their dmg/heal is mostly aoe.
Aoe dot engi/magus will score top in damage compared to anyone else too, how do you judge those?
Dying is no option.

Mergrim
Posts: 67

Re: Shield DOK / WP

Post#5 » Sun Jan 17, 2021 10:17 pm

Sulorie wrote:
Sun Jan 17, 2021 10:00 pm
Mergrim wrote:
Sun Jan 17, 2021 9:54 pm
VindicoAtrum wrote:
Sun Jan 17, 2021 9:52 pm
Both are fine, neither need looking at or nerfing.
Nope they are not fine, heal debuff should work on them like on fury of da green or energy of vaul.
Healdebuff does not work on FODG.

There is counter play, tanks just have to do their job.
Their dmg/heal is mostly aoe.
Aoe dot engi/magus will score top in damage compared to anyone else too, how do you judge those?
Then go and test FODG again, they changed something few patch ago, and now all debuffs work on it.

About magius/engi hardest class to master, 0 mobility. You have tons of useless engi/magius around, a few playing well is not a problem. Dok/wp shield are 2 button class.

VindicoAtrum
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Re: Shield DOK / WP

Post#6 » Sun Jan 17, 2021 10:28 pm

Mergrim wrote:
Sun Jan 17, 2021 10:17 pm
Sulorie wrote:
Sun Jan 17, 2021 10:00 pm
Mergrim wrote:
Sun Jan 17, 2021 9:54 pm


Nope they are not fine, heal debuff should work on them like on fury of da green or energy of vaul.
Healdebuff does not work on FODG.

There is counter play, tanks just have to do their job.
Their dmg/heal is mostly aoe.
Aoe dot engi/magus will score top in damage compared to anyone else too, how do you judge those?
Then go and test FODG again, they changed something few patch ago, and now all debuffs work on it.

About magius/engi hardest class to master, 0 mobility. You have tons of useless engi/magius around, few playing good is not problem. Dok/wp shield are 2 button class.
If DoK/WP are using two buttons they might as well be NPCs, neither of them can do a thing with two buttons 😉 Neither of them can match DPS class damage as proven on test dummies, and their healing/lifetap is countered with debuffs (counters some abilities), absorb, knockdown/back etc.

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Arbich
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Re: Shield DOK / WP

Post#7 » Sun Jan 17, 2021 11:33 pm

Sulorie wrote:
Sun Jan 17, 2021 10:00 pm
Mergrim wrote:
Sun Jan 17, 2021 9:54 pm
VindicoAtrum wrote:
Sun Jan 17, 2021 9:52 pm
Both are fine, neither need looking at or nerfing.
Nope they are not fine, heal debuff should work on them like on fury of da green or energy of vaul.
Healdebuff does not work on FODG.

There is counter play, tanks just have to do their job.
Their dmg/heal is mostly aoe.
Aoe dot engi/magus will score top in damage compared to anyone else too, how do you judge those?
EoV is affected by outgoing and incoming healdebuff. FODG should work the same.
But EoV is also affected by healblesses, while DoK/WP healing is not.
I think their dmg is probably too high and should tone down a bit (tie it to a tactic or whatever).
Arbich-BW/Xanthippe-WP/Schnipsel-AM

XsorrowerX
Posts: 67

Re: Shield DOK / WP

Post#8 » Sun Jan 17, 2021 11:38 pm

Mergrim wrote:
Sun Jan 17, 2021 10:17 pm
Sulorie wrote:
Sun Jan 17, 2021 10:00 pm
Mergrim wrote:
Sun Jan 17, 2021 9:54 pm


Nope they are not fine, heal debuff should work on them like on fury of da green or energy of vaul.
Healdebuff does not work on FODG.

There is counter play, tanks just have to do their job.
Their dmg/heal is mostly aoe.
Aoe dot engi/magus will score top in damage compared to anyone else too, how do you judge those?
Then go and test FODG again, they changed something few patch ago, and now all debuffs work on it.

About magius/engi hardest class to master, 0 mobility. You have tons of useless engi/magius around, a few playing well is not a problem. Dok/wp shield are 2 button class.
This is woefully ignorant. I have both classes, and it's easy as hell to play a magus and put dots on everything, just as it's easy to hit someone and heal everyone around you. Shield dok/wp is no less hard. Both classes have a ton of potential when you get someone that knows how to play behind them. Both have their weaknesses and counters. For shield dok/wp keep them snared/kited, use absorbs, detaunts and defensives to reduce healing. Heal Debuff is using mitigation skills or just knocking them out of range. Range, range is your friend. They can't heal for crap unless they are in range AND hitting the right target to get that damage. They have a ton of downsides already compared to other healers.

Them hitting a pet to heal is that players fault for not controlling it better btw, it's not that healing is "too good". I see so many people put pets on fire and forget lazy mode.

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ByzantineTime
Posts: 130

Re: Shield DOK / WP

Post#9 » Sun Jan 17, 2021 11:48 pm

XsorrowerX wrote:
Sun Jan 17, 2021 11:38 pm
Mergrim wrote:
Sun Jan 17, 2021 10:17 pm
Sulorie wrote:
Sun Jan 17, 2021 10:00 pm


Healdebuff does not work on FODG.

There is counter play, tanks just have to do their job.
Their dmg/heal is mostly aoe.
Aoe dot engi/magus will score top in damage compared to anyone else too, how do you judge those?
Then go and test FODG again, they changed something few patch ago, and now all debuffs work on it.

About magius/engi hardest class to master, 0 mobility. You have tons of useless engi/magius around, a few playing well is not a problem. Dok/wp shield are 2 button class.
This is woefully ignorant. I have both classes, and it's easy as hell to play a magus and put dots on everything, just as it's easy to hit someone and heal everyone around you. Shield dok/wp is no less hard. Both classes have a ton of potential when you get someone that knows how to play behind them. Both have their weaknesses and counters. For shield dok/wp keep them snared/kited, use absorbs, detaunts and defensives to reduce healing. Heal Debuff is using mitigation skills or just knocking them out of range. Range, range is your friend. They can't heal for crap unless they are in range AND hitting the right target to get that damage. They have a ton of downsides already compared to other healers.

Them hitting a pet to heal is that players fault for not controlling it better btw, it's not that healing is "too good". I see so many people put pets on fire and forget lazy mode.
I'll give you some facts.
Ranked match 6v6
Ivyans either DOK or WP
ON dok he sometimes deals more damage than both of the dps classes, 200k 250k DPS, and in heals its 350k-400k
FACT is he dealt 200k-250k gives a lot of pressure on the target, and the target dies quicker helping the team thats the fact and only by hitting the target, he heals his defensive targets for more than pure healers that is also a fact.

You can reason it out by saying detaunt, they can't heal if you counter them, fact is that is what they produce.
So if a ranged guy runs away from them they will just either keep going on him or focus a different easier target, but numbers don't lie, they deal too much.
Tanks can't punt them they need to punt the enemy tanks, on paper you reason it out but in game it's a different story currently it's OP.

edit: and about the pet, tell me exactly again how the pet is lashed out? let's say it's a WL in a ranked match, the pet follows you have to lol, what can the WL do?? exactly to counter the shield DOK? nothing.
squig pet? let's say its MSH same story as WL, if it's RSH, how can the squig stop the Shield WP from attacking the pet? no chance, and they can always switch to a different target to help the DPS. and they deal good damage trust me, check on twitch there is a roaming shield DOK check his damage if you think it's bad, he mauls people.

they are also extremely tanky not like you can focus them down xD so please.. I bet you play DOK/WP :D
Last edited by ByzantineTime on Sun Jan 17, 2021 11:57 pm, edited 1 time in total.

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zulnam
Posts: 356

Re: Shield DOK / WP

Post#10 » Sun Jan 17, 2021 11:54 pm

I love strong shield WPs. Hope to play with one some day.
SW, Kotbs, IB, Mara, SH

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