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Poll: What are the two hardest to kill tanks in the game in your oppinion with multiple people on them.

Poll ended at Sat Feb 20, 2021 9:32 am

KotBS
46
19%
Iron Breaker
70
28%
Sword Master
5
2%
Black Ork
60
24%
Black Guard
37
15%
Chosen
29
12%
Total votes: 247

Mordd
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Re: Defensive tanks

Post#11 » Mon Feb 15, 2021 5:43 pm

Chosen also doesnt have anything special as far as defense.

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Re: Defensive tanks

Post#12 » Mon Feb 15, 2021 6:46 pm

maby all votes are vor iron breaker, because u can easely mistaken rock on field with ironbreaker or vice versa.
poor sword masters

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Ramlaen
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Re: Defensive tanks

Post#13 » Mon Feb 15, 2021 7:08 pm

kmark101 wrote:
Mon Feb 15, 2021 4:30 pm
I think the correct question here would be "which tank can turtle the best WHILE still being useful for their teammates" then suddenly you'd see BO as the undisputed tank king in every possible game mode, followed by geared Chosens, then everyone else.
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Aethilmar
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Re: Defensive tanks

Post#14 » Mon Feb 15, 2021 7:20 pm

Mordd wrote:
Mon Feb 15, 2021 5:43 pm
Chosen also doesnt have anything special as far as defense.
Yeah, except for an Aura that basically doubles the effectiveness of baseline resists, toughness buff aura (if they want it), tactics for reducing crit reduction and reduced armor pen (if they want it), flat damage reduction (Oppression) and/or increased disrupt chance (Reflection) they got nothing ...

Roughly the same list for people saying Knight has nothing too just slightly different details.

Y'all may complain about not doing "enough" damage but don't even start on your survivability. My RR 60 Chosen and Knight are probably more survivable (while being effective at what they do) in a fight than my RR83 SM with them having significantly worse gear.

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phononHYPE
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Re: Defensive tanks

Post#15 » Mon Feb 15, 2021 7:40 pm

kmark101 wrote:
Mon Feb 15, 2021 4:30 pm
I think the correct question here would be "which tank can turtle the best WHILE still being useful for their teammates" then suddenly you'd see BO as the undisputed tank king in every possible game mode, followed by geared Chosens, then everyone else.
Ahh, see this was my assumption, and my vote.
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fabrizio3k
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Re: Defensive tanks

Post#16 » Mon Feb 15, 2021 8:42 pm

Whoever voted for SM? You did it out of sympathy, didn’t you?

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zulnam
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Re: Defensive tanks

Post#17 » Mon Feb 15, 2021 8:45 pm

Personally, I think IB has the most survivability on Order side. Seasoned Veteran and Seen It All Before alone are worth it, and they're core. Then there's the armor tactic (for new tanks), besides the mandatory toughness one. There's also Shield Mastery, if you're looking for a big block increase (personally, i prefer Seasoned Veteran),

Buff wise, they can give themselves 25% parry, toughness, armor, magic shield, GnM heal, or Oathstone block (not as useful as it could be, but 4 guaranteed blocks with return damage. very nice against melees when caught alone), and two unsnares (Juggernaut + Avenging the Debt talent ability).

Really, the only downside to Ironbreaker is how many keys with useful abilities in certain situations you have.

For example: base aoe with improved armor penetration on grudge that can be used even in snb, but why not get an aoe snare too while you're at it? (which you easily can, since Told Ya So! is your only good group utlity, so you're going that way no matter what).
And hey, just for extra kicks. Tactic that turns that armor penetration aoe of yours into a directional aoe punt. Why not?

You can experiment a lot. Quite rewarding, if you have a MMO mouse.
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Skullgrin
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Re: Defensive tanks

Post#18 » Mon Feb 15, 2021 9:03 pm

Haskr wrote:
Mon Feb 15, 2021 12:45 pm
why ironbreaker?

Grumble An' Mutter.


normanis wrote:
Mon Feb 15, 2021 2:18 pm
why noone votes for sm?

Because they are easy to kill. :P
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Mordd
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Re: Defensive tanks

Post#19 » Tue Feb 16, 2021 3:13 am

Aethilmar wrote:
Mon Feb 15, 2021 7:20 pm
Mordd wrote:
Mon Feb 15, 2021 5:43 pm
Chosen also doesnt have anything special as far as defense.
Yeah, except for an Aura that basically doubles the effectiveness of baseline resists, toughness buff aura (if they want it), tactics for reducing crit reduction and reduced armor pen (if they want it), flat damage reduction (Oppression) and/or increased disrupt chance (Reflection) they got nothing ...

Roughly the same list for people saying Knight has nothing too just slightly different details.

Y'all may complain about not doing "enough" damage but don't even start on your survivability. My RR 60 Chosen and Knight are probably more survivable (while being effective at what they do) in a fight than my RR83 SM with them having significantly worse gear.
a S/B BG is harder to kill than either knight or Chosen but has far fewer votes. BG is the Destro version of the IB. Just because most play 2H doesnt mean S/B they are not harder to kill.

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Re: Defensive tanks

Post#20 » Tue Feb 16, 2021 3:14 am

Mordd wrote:
Mon Feb 15, 2021 5:42 pm
not sure why KotBS is so high unless its people that only play destro. They cant get close to the block and parry rates of BG or BO.
maybe people are voting based on running into one in small fights, since the m1 and m2 are annoying to counter
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