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Addressing the 90 min Elephant in the room.

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tazdingo
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Re: Addressing the 90 min Elephant in the room.

Post#141 » Mon May 10, 2021 9:17 am

the flash point for all of this, regardless of your opinion on x-realmers, seems to be the anxiety surrounding not getting a city pop and making no progress on your royals that night, which is all you're really trying to do after a certain point progression wise. maybe:

a. not getting a city after queueing for x amount of time should give you a .x multiplier on royals from your next city
b. not getting a city after queuing for x amount of time should give you a favourable chance to get in next time (similar system to bag rolls)
c. have other ways in which to get shards whilst the city is running, ie. city sc and t2

the issue would likely be alleviated with future horizontal progression though i haven't heard this talked about in a while and i doubt there's gonna be a pq set with sov-like stats, but whether you're barriered out from 70+ ranked because you've been unlucky with royals or just have no other progression to make it's understandable that people will take any steps to get royals. for the record i don't like x-realming, but i understand it

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Re: Addressing the 90 min Elephant in the room.

Post#142 » Mon May 10, 2021 9:41 am

tazdingo wrote: Mon May 10, 2021 9:17 am the flash point for all of this, regardless of your opinion on x-realmers, seems to be the anxiety surrounding not getting a city pop and making no progress on your royals that night, which is all you're really trying to do after a certain point progression wise. maybe:
The underlying point is that most people xrealm when they perceive they will win more (of whatever) on the other side.
Thus making the winning side win more, and the losing side lose more.

If they just wanted city they would push to altdorf when destro is at its stairs. Instead, the opposite happens. So:
- They get gallantly rewarded for pushing back in the other direction playing PvD, while you get a stick to the ribs and a rather unfun rvr.
- With enough useful fools on the order side now, they switch to stick to the ribs realm which means the fools that stayed on destro attempting to defend keeps and getting nothing outta it will get less pops than otherwise. Xrealmers get rewarded again.
- And then you have to compete vs organized groups so if you go in with them you will get pity crests and they will get bags. Yet another reward for the xrealmers for xrealming.

This is not just a NA thing. Since cities were clearly "allowed" to happen only at certain times. Which puts the zones back to mostly reset at the start of EU times, so that they are close to or at forts when xrealmers have the schedule to push in the opposite direction. Even if they need to nudge them closer themselves playing on destro before encouraging something stupid to happen and switching.

Note: Please make fleshrender realm lock. :P

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Re: Addressing the 90 min Elephant in the room.

Post#143 » Mon May 10, 2021 9:43 am

we have so many xrealmers in ror because its so easy to lvl your rr to 80, if you have to focus in 1 toon (1 faction) to use the sov set, this "anxiety" never hapens.

Live war was a good example :) you can have your sov set in bank, but if you wana used it some day, you need to play rvr/scs in that toon.

i dont remenber city loggers or this xrealming game play in live war.

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Re: Addressing the 90 min Elephant in the room.

Post#144 » Mon May 10, 2021 10:18 am

All the pugs and bad guilds believing X-realming has anything to do with them getting farmed, never gets old.

Spoiler, you lose cause you're bad, not because ppl are swtiching sides.

Increasing lockouts in anyway makes it just harder for good groups to enjoy aao farm.
Literally more premades are switching to underdog side than the other way around.

Since none of you x-realm believers ever was in a good party managing aao farm, I can see why you don't get it.

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Re: Addressing the 90 min Elephant in the room.

Post#145 » Mon May 10, 2021 10:26 am

Tons are misinformed reading recent comments.

Realm lock is to improve oRvR. Not about crests, Sov gear farming, winning cities, helping pugs, etc.

System was being manipulated by just doing 170vs50 to force cities and one side intentionally not bother defending and let it happen because those players were on the Zerg side to coordinate city NA time then swap back to near normal population or heavier opposite side only for city. oRvR been dead for NA destro for over a month due to manipulation. Devs wouldn’t have made the change if they didn’t notice this going on.

You don’t see this in EU. Mostly Battlehost and Warhost either wide w lot of oRvR.

Player base NA time caused this. Give them a clap. If the system isn’t perfect which it probably isn’t. Suggestions always change the future and there has been some.
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Re: Addressing the 90 min Elephant in the room.

Post#146 » Mon May 10, 2021 10:27 am

Oh, god bless the Xrealm heroes who want to balance factions AFTER fort...but somehow they dont give a **** about balance before cities...


I still think that the "problem" is how its designed the mechanic to reach cities....

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Re: Addressing the 90 min Elephant in the room.

Post#147 » Mon May 10, 2021 12:29 pm

Spellbound wrote: Mon May 10, 2021 10:26 am

Player base NA time caused this. Give them a clap. If the system isn’t perfect which it probably isn’t. Suggestions always change the future and there has been some.
Order was pushing empty keeps and forts for weeks during NA time, nothing happened. Suddenly some order go destro and push Altdorf a few times during NA time, BOOM lockout.
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Re: Addressing the 90 min Elephant in the room.

Post#148 » Mon May 10, 2021 1:31 pm

Evilspinnre wrote: Mon May 10, 2021 12:29 pm
Order was pushing empty keeps and forts for weeks during NA time, nothing happened. Suddenly some order go destro and push Altdorf a few times during NA time, BOOM lockout.

You can't expect an extreme measure to be put overnight, you need time to analyze what's going on and act accordingly. These guys have had their little reign of terror for way too long I agree, but now hopefully it's over for their unsavory practices. It's hilarious though, that even at this point they are still on the brinks of crying every time they post one of their mental contortions to justify their toxic and negative play style.

Not to mention the tantrums they throw on public channels when their plan doesn't go as they expected. Those people have very little regard for the future of the server or the well being of its community, they only want their stuff at any cost, and will disregard every other player whenever they have the occasion to do so. Proof of this is how they have no issues calling everyone that disagrees with them names, or use the most elementary school tier ad-hominem in their argumentation.

As observed last night, the lockout works.

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Re: Addressing the 90 min Elephant in the room.

Post#149 » Mon May 10, 2021 2:17 pm

Mordd wrote: Mon May 10, 2021 3:02 am
lyncher12 wrote: Sun May 09, 2021 7:32 pm
Rydiak wrote: Sun May 09, 2021 6:13 pm Order pushed IC almost every night because you had guilds that would push IC en masse on Order and then switch to Destro to defend IC and reap the rewards. It's funny that many of the same people who did this are now complaining that Order is too dominant.
yea fog of war, knights of order, rescue team, salt factory and whoever else i forget definitely logged destro. its not just na desthrow players not caring to defend and log in for city as is the smart thing to do.
You really dont have any clue what is what in guilds lol. KoO is like 2 people now, SF made toons on destro when order was zerging empty zones every night, but that takes time to gear up, and have gone back to order now that the zerg is on destro. AAO is always the best side to be on. RT doesnt have but like 5 people during NA time normally. You have no clue at all. lol
obviously things change over time but we have had a whole year of order pushing vs pug warbands/no competition. ror has always been like this. the only na destro warband that played was ere we go and dachosen had quit. it was the same **** almost daily. destro pugtrash warbands would spawn a ram -> these na warband guilds would pop oil and jump on the ram giggling about it -> destro gives up -> order gets a defense bag and then order pushes vs nothing until city happens and people log in again.

but please give me your alex jones xrealming take on the history instead

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Re: Addressing the 90 min Elephant in the room.

Post#150 » Mon May 10, 2021 3:05 pm

lyncher12 wrote: Mon May 10, 2021 2:17 pm but please give me your alex jones xrealming take on the history instead
You mean the same type of alex jones xrealming people are saying they did do even in this thread and that they want to continue doing because somehow '"it's for the good of the server"?

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