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marksadle76
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BG force "force of fury " has been buff not nerf

Post#1 » Fri Jul 23, 2021 6:25 am

becuase if no one gona explain that to you , you gona keep say it was nerfed...due bad patchnote phrasing

45% proportional reduciton mean if you have 0% chance to be crit it would still be 0%, now if you have 0% it goes negative minus 15% since it's flat......

Since no one should go around with 20% chance to be crit to begin with (ex 45% of the 20% is roughtly 10% reduction).

this is a buff, stop complain, it took 2 years to "FIX" fof usefullness as it was asked, you should all think instead s+b bg still problem cuz it dosent have any single aoe or group wide stuff comparable to 2h crit debuff; wait in next 2 years maybe. https://nox.tips/ https://xender.vip/
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Rapzel
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Re: BG force "force of fury " has been buff not nerf

Post#2 » Fri Jul 23, 2021 8:29 am

It was previously meant to be a percentage based reduction, but actually worked like a flat reduction. However we feel that a percentage based reduction of a percentage based stat just complicates things, and when that stat is typically 0% for most players, it didn't really make sense. So we kept it as a flat reduction, but lowered the values instead. So this is both a bug fix and balance change combined.
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I'll explain it to you since you seem to not understand it, armor from FoF stacked with other sources of armor buffs, e.g. armor potions.
It gave a flat -45% chance to be crit, that has been reduced to -15% (it was supposed to give 45% of your current chance to be crit but it was a bug).

Omegus
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Re: BG force "force of fury " has been buff not nerf

Post#3 » Fri Jul 23, 2021 11:18 am

Rapzel wrote:
Fri Jul 23, 2021 8:29 am
It gave a flat -45% chance to be crit, that has been reduced to -15% (it was supposed to give 45% of your current chance to be crit but it was a bug).
It wasn't a bug, but an intentional change in 2017: viewtopic.php?f=42&t=21241

A lot of people still thought it was a flat -45% reduction. There was a hilarious thread last year reminding people that it wasn't the case and it caused a few tears when people realised just how bad the crit reduction was: viewtopic.php?f=73&t=38124

How it used to work: if your initiative brought your chance to be crit down to 10% and then you used FoF, it didn't take you to -35%, it took you to 5.5% (45% of 10% is 4.5%).
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Elemint
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Re: BG force "force of fury " has been buff not nerf

Post#4 » Fri Jul 23, 2021 12:18 pm

Omegus wrote:
Fri Jul 23, 2021 11:18 am
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Cute. The ability gave flat 45% crit reduction, which was absurd. They could have just said "bugfix" and made it as it's intended but they made the correct choice and gave it a reduced flat value, since everyone with a brain is running with 0% chance to be crit. Two tips for you:
1)Don't trust paperdoll
2)Don't trust what random people tell you

Rapzel
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Re: BG force "force of fury " has been buff not nerf

Post#5 » Fri Jul 23, 2021 1:00 pm

Omegus wrote:
Fri Jul 23, 2021 11:18 am
Rapzel wrote:
Fri Jul 23, 2021 8:29 am
It gave a flat -45% chance to be crit, that has been reduced to -15% (it was supposed to give 45% of your current chance to be crit but it was a bug).
It wasn't a bug, but an intentional change in 2017: viewtopic.php?f=42&t=21241

A lot of people still thought it was a flat -45% reduction. There was a hilarious thread last year reminding people that it wasn't the case and it caused a few tears when people realised just how bad the crit reduction was: viewtopic.php?f=73&t=38124

How it used to work: if your initiative brought your chance to be crit down to 10% and then you used FoF, it didn't take you to -35%, it took you to 5.5% (45% of 10% is 4.5%).
No it was a bug, that was introduced not too long ago, where it gave FLAT CRIT REDUCTION, just as stated (and I bolded) in the patch notes.

Omegus
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Re: BG force "force of fury " has been buff not nerf

Post#6 » Fri Jul 23, 2021 2:47 pm

Ah sorry my bad, I misread and didn't realise it had become bugged recently and was now doing what people thought it did originally but wasn't actually doing (my head hurt typing that lol).

Keep track of weird changes from 2017 when the patch notes can't be searched for properly and the bugs that have happened since gets a bit tricky :(
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BluIzLucky
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Re: BG force "force of fury " has been buff not nerf

Post#7 » Fri Jul 23, 2021 4:02 pm

Thought the reduction would be:

( Your CtbC + Their CtC ) * (1-Force Of Fury %)

So.. if you have 0% CtbC and got hit by somebody with 50% chance to crit:

( 0% + 50%) * (1-45%) = 27.5% => FoF reduction 50-27.5 = 22.5%.

And fitting for their anti-mage style vs a BW with 100% crit it would get reduced by 45%.

This could also free you from speccing into FS and save you 15-45 renown points.

Anyway, new one is a little meh with stacking removed as well..
next they'll come for SM's Crushing Advance armor stacking buff.. sssch.. :lol:
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Sulorie
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Re: BG force "force of fury " has been buff not nerf

Post#8 » Fri Jul 23, 2021 5:40 pm

The crit reduction change was either a nerf, if you take the broken/bugged 45% flat reduction into account or a buff, if you look at the intended 45% percentage reduction, because many players seek to have low ctbc, where only absolute reduction matters.
Flat -15 ctbc is nice.

The armor buff on the other hand is a nerf. Not sure anyone would go up 13pts for just a crit reduction buff and a tiny on average 300 armor bonus.
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Amdus
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Re: BG force "force of fury " has been buff not nerf

Post#9 » Fri Jul 23, 2021 6:20 pm

Just the armor thing is a nerf as big as a cathedral. The crit reduction is honestly useless past BiS gear. Getting 2 on futile strikes and having an extra talent point to spend is going to be the way to go now. SnB BG is officially the most useless tank in the game, not that without this it was any better, it was still the most useless tank, and it will still be, but even more.

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SmackdownNinja
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Re: BG force "force of fury " has been buff not nerf

Post#10 » Sat Jul 24, 2021 12:10 am

Yeah people are mainly talking about the armor buff getting nerfed, not the actual bug with the crit reduction getting fixed. Would of been better to just revert it to how it should of been, instead of over nerfing it.

For a 13 point ability that can be shattered, it's in a pretty useless state right now. The crit reduction doesn't matter to tanks, due to how much you can get from gear and a couple ranks of futile strikes. All of this coupled with BG being the worse SnB tank in the game, is what left a bad taste in people's mouth.
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