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Alubert
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Re: Some Ranked Statistics

Post#81 » Thu Aug 05, 2021 12:44 pm

Justina wrote: Thu Aug 05, 2021 12:37 pm
Alubert wrote: Thu Aug 05, 2021 12:21 pm My conclusions:
Chosen - Bring back the left and middle chosen mastery tree from before nerf. (Bring back CS and remove hopeless Demon Claw tactics and disable Corruptive Power as a replacement for CS).
Oh come on... stop asking for chosen buffs... they are very good as they are...

Chosen was ridiculous the way it was. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRwNIr1Dgzk
Its just solo roam build chosen. Really dosent matter in team play game.
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Re: Some Ranked Statistics

Post#82 » Thu Aug 05, 2021 12:50 pm

Justina wrote: Thu Aug 05, 2021 12:37 pm
Alubert wrote: Thu Aug 05, 2021 12:21 pm My conclusions:
Chosen - Bring back the left and middle chosen mastery tree from before nerf. (Bring back CS and remove hopeless Demon Claw tactics and disable Corruptive Power as a replacement for CS).
Oh come on... stop asking for chosen buffs... they are very good as they are...

Chosen was ridiculous the way it was. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRwNIr1Dgzk
Specially because SM is the only who can make spirit damage... :roll:
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Re: Some Ranked Statistics

Post#83 » Thu Aug 05, 2021 12:51 pm

doues these statistiks show that magus and engi need buff? and bw with sorc need buff? for ranked sc?
is there win loose rate also statistiks? because in city winrate favour greatly destro(just saying)
when i done event sc on both sides ekrund gates i would say from all winrate destro has 65% and order wined 35% (when i joined) i got for chosen in row all wins , i farmed domaniator gear and winrate was so favour me.
or ranked statisiks is from prem vs prem , not prem vs pugs?
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Re: Some Ranked Statistics

Post#84 » Thu Aug 05, 2021 12:56 pm

about sm video upper. 300 damage is higest what sm can do? even mo chosen with 2h 500str dealed more damage. with tactic equiped what convert damage into spirit.
p.s douvle spirit debuff was ahuge nerf for 2h sm ;-(
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oaliaen
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Re: Some Ranked Statistics

Post#85 » Thu Aug 05, 2021 12:57 pm

Easy way to fix unbalance in ranked is just denying 2x slayer / 2x witchelfs . Try it for 1-2 weeks of crowded pops.
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Mergrim
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Re: Some Ranked Statistics

Post#86 » Thu Aug 05, 2021 2:10 pm

Extra statistic top 24 from all classes:D

1. Squig Herder 19/21 in your ranking.
2. Zealot 11/9
3. Warrior Priest 3/8
4. Witch Elf 16/13
5. Discipline of Khaine 10/12
6. Knight of the Blazing Sun 5/6
7. Runepriest 2/3
8. White Lion 4/3
9. Slayer 6/4
10. Archmage 20/14
11. Marauder 13/15
12. Chosen 9/11
13. Blackguard 7/5
14. Shaman 14/10
15. Swordmaster 8/7
16. Shadow Warrior 18/19
17. Ironbreaker 1/1
18. Magius 24/24
19. Black Orc 15/16
20. Sorceress 22/20
21. Witch Hunter19/18
22. Engineer 21/22
23. Choppa 12/17
24. Bright Wizard 23/23

I just want to show the statistics that you provided do not give any conclusions

Squig hereder who is on bottom in your statistic is top1 mmr now. Ironbreaker who is 1/1 from all classes is 17. WE 4 in ranking=16/13 in your statistic.
Still prefer to have Ticchecino engi than any other dps(and engi is on bottom in statistic).

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Re: Some Ranked Statistics

Post#87 » Thu Aug 05, 2021 3:24 pm

Mergrim wrote: Thu Aug 05, 2021 2:10 pm Extra statistic top 24 from all classes:D

1. Squig Herder 19/21 in your ranking.
2. Zealot 11/9
3. Warrior Priest 3/8
4. Witch Elf 16/13
5. Discipline of Khaine 10/12
6. Knight of the Blazing Sun 5/6
7. Runepriest 2/3
8. White Lion 4/3
9. Slayer 6/4
10. Archmage 20/14
11. Marauder 13/15
12. Chosen 9/11
13. Blackguard 7/5
14. Shaman 14/10
15. Swordmaster 8/7
16. Shadow Warrior 18/19
17. Ironbreaker 1/1
18. Magius 24/24
19. Black Orc 15/16
20. Sorceress 22/20
21. Witch Hunter19/18
22. Engineer 21/22
23. Choppa 12/17
24. Bright Wizard 23/23

I just want to show the statistics that you provided do not give any conclusions

Squig hereder who is on bottom in your statistic is top1 mmr now. Ironbreaker who is 1/1 from all classes is 17. WE 4 in ranking=16/13 in your statistic.
Still prefer to have Ticchecino engi than any other dps(and engi is on bottom in statistic).

Give us some insight into how you took these measurements. Did you just rank them in order of when they first are visible on the leaderboard?

The bottom of the lists seems pretty consistent throughout all the measurements that have been taken, and that's been the particular thing I've been expressing my worry about.
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Re: Some Ranked Statistics

Post#88 » Thu Aug 05, 2021 3:58 pm

Alubert wrote: Thu Aug 05, 2021 12:21 pm The most counting statistic of all is 800+ MMR because this amount of MMR gives the prospect of quickly reaching 1k MMR.
BO 6 vs 3 SM
BG 7 vs 7 IB
DoK 10 vs 14 WP
Zealot 12 vs 8 RP
Shaman 5 vs 4 AM
Sorc 3 vs 0 BW
Magus 1 vs 1 Engi
SH 4 vs 2 SW
WE 4 vs 2 WH
Mara 4 vs 2 WL
and the two most visible cases of imbalance
Chosen 9 vs 18 KotBS
Choppa 2 vs 19 SL

Here is the balance on the ranked games.
Interesting that most of these stats can also be translated to other aspects of the game like sc and orvr. Only BW is no longer that weak on sc and orvr and is WP crushing DoK even more thanks to "exalted defense" and 15% more heal thanks to KotBS.

My conclusions:
Chosen - Bring back the left and middle chosen mastery tree from before nerf. (Bring back CS and remove hopeless Demon Claw tactics and disable Corruptive Power as a replacement for CS).
Choppa - GTDC - free immunity for opponents. Completely useless in ST pressure. As a proponent of not making exact copies of your mirrors I know it will be difficult to develop an equivalent to slayers ID.
“As a proponent of not making exact copies of your mirrors I know it will be difficult to develop an equivalent to slayers ID.“
They had 0 problems giving knights that AP aura tho LOL. But I guess crippling strikes was too OP and raking talons is fair.

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Mergrim
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Re: Some Ranked Statistics

Post#89 » Thu Aug 05, 2021 4:18 pm

Caduceus wrote: Thu Aug 05, 2021 3:24 pm Give us some insight into how you took these measurements. Did you just rank them in order of when they first are visible on the leaderboard?
Yea.
Caduceus wrote: Thu Aug 05, 2021 3:24 pm The bottom of the lists seems pretty consistent throughout all the measurements that have been taken, and that's been the particular thing I've been expressing my worry about.
Nope. SH is 17 and 21 in your statistic. Top1 mmr is SH
IB 1/1 in your statistic. Top 17 from all class.

I will not talk about BW because 80% of them go inside melle+spam aoe and expect a win.
The only big difference is between a slayer and a choppa for me. Have already tested mara vs choppa...1button rend spam mara deal 17-21% more dmg than full rage choppa...logic:D

You can be very good engi/magius/sorc/bw...it all depends on the player.

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Re: Some Ranked Statistics

Post#90 » Thu Aug 05, 2021 4:47 pm

Alubert wrote: Thu Aug 05, 2021 12:44 pm
Justina wrote: Thu Aug 05, 2021 12:37 pm
Alubert wrote: Thu Aug 05, 2021 12:21 pm My conclusions:
Chosen - Bring back the left and middle chosen mastery tree from before nerf. (Bring back CS and remove hopeless Demon Claw tactics and disable Corruptive Power as a replacement for CS).
Oh come on... stop asking for chosen buffs... they are very good as they are...

Chosen was ridiculous the way it was. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRwNIr1Dgzk
Its just solo roam build chosen. Really dosent matter in team play game.
Its just 6v6 KoBS. Really doesnt matter in a massive ORVR game.

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