GamesBond wrote: ↑Sun Sep 26, 2021 12:18 pmThe core misunderstanding is that neither you nor myself define how people should play. That's about it. If you're losing 24/7 (which I doubt, people exaggerate), then you need to change the way you're playing and that's for your own sake.Farrul wrote: ↑Sun Sep 26, 2021 12:00 pmThere are many potential issues/barriers with Discord ( voice com) that when forced upon people will make a lot of them simply quit rather than attempt socilizing, this is not unique to Warhammer online. For a variety of reasons, e.g language difficulties - not everyone feels comfortable talking in english - casuals that want to relax a moment with a game coming home stressful work, time constraints i.e real life responsibilities and no time to setup a team or follow guild schedules, social anxiety etc).
This exact topic was in fact very hot in the WoW classic forums 1,5 years ago when que times suddenly dramatically increased in the Battlegrounds (WoW classic equivalent to scenarios ) when casuals finally had enough of being farmed by premades for several weeks(this coincided with the release of ''event'' weekend Battlegrounds that promoted premade activity) . Interestingly enough It turned out that when the casuals were quitting the premade crowd lost interest as well, it seems their joy was to steamroll pugs for easy rewards and not fight the hard battles against other premades ( obviously a lot more demanding).
So back to Warhammer online, what can be learned from this? That there should be a balance between premade and pugs, without pugs(imo the lifeblood) most of these games becomes in fact very ''elitist'' and the communities/player base shrinks dramatically as a result.
The issue i see with RoR is that it does not have the luxury of numbers to sacrifice players like that (WoW classic had a 500k strong playerbase at that time).
Being on voice coms is not at all an elitist thing if you actually would like to play in this era. Coordinating with your team mates is not an elitist thing. I understand many older players might consider Discord complicated or 'a barrier' - but that's not everyone else's issue.
We're not sacrificing anything. Discord is available, we won't shape the game because some people refuse to put their headset, left click on a channel and listen to orders. I know many people in the community who are old and they have quickly learned and adapted to Discord and voice coms to the point where they now require younger players to be present during their warbands, premades, etc.
You put a slight effort, you reap the benefits. You don't put any effort into organizing, you will lose when you face other people who are organized.
You can sit here and babble about what people should and shouldn't do, but funneling newer players/casuals into meat grinders is bad for the health and population of the game, full stop. -Signed newer casual player that is done after playing t2 scenarios for a bit.