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Sinisterror
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Re: DPS vs Shield DOK...DW In a Sad State.

Post#21 » Sat Jan 15, 2022 8:48 am

MedV wrote:
Sat Jan 15, 2022 8:35 am
Xirucio wrote:
Sat Jan 15, 2022 8:19 am
I'm not exactly a veteran of this game as i only started to play it last year but, i accept the fact that my Dps Warrior Priest is a hybrid spec/class and in no way it should deal damage in the range of pure Dps classes.
Shammy/AM are hybrids that can make a run with the pure DPS Classes. Same with some Tanks.

Thing is as a DPS DOK you sacrifice most of your healing power for dmg. Some problems though are youre the only MDPS without a charge ability (Not flee), you do less dmg and you dont have an aoe detaunt (you cant sacrifice the other 4 tactics without ruining the entire spec).

Someone should help come up with some actual viable small buffs/tweaks that would make the DW DOK actually viable again- Im not asking to top Dmg charts.

DOK somehow went from most wanted healer and a viable DPS to least wanted healer and not viable DPS. I dont know what happened, truly. I think the other heals got buffed which left chalice behind? And DPS im also not really sure what changed. Id like to have a discussion on what changes were made in game that put the DOK in the state it is with actual facts and not turn this into a "my low lvl WP can kill you 1v1".
Well he said that shield IS nerfed to useless i asked how and he went off on how i should Be quiet and not speak because inexperience. Anyway DPS dok FoK should Be 15ap gain 15 SE. DPS dok should get AP based grp heal that heals grp for dmg dealt. DE should hit harder like it used to 600 crits. SE Should Be changed to 7 SEC HD /DOT. And lastly change HD tactic to 'guilty soul' like spirit dot that heals for dmg dealt. These changes would do IT.
"To clarify, me asking to developers to go test their own changes is not sign of toxicity or anger, but a sign of hope that the people punching in the numbers remain aware of potential consequences and test their own changes"-Teefz

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Xirucio
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Re: DPS vs Shield DOK...DW In a Sad State.

Post#22 » Sat Jan 15, 2022 8:56 am

MedV wrote:
Sat Jan 15, 2022 8:35 am
Xirucio wrote:
Sat Jan 15, 2022 8:19 am
I'm not exactly a veteran of this game as i only started to play it last year but, i accept the fact that my Dps Warrior Priest is a hybrid spec/class and in no way it should deal damage in the range of pure Dps classes.
Shammy/AM are hybrids that can make a run with the pure DPS Classes. Same with some Tanks.
Exactly!
Now, the healthy action and direction would be in a form of ''checking'' those hybrids that deal way more damage and not in a form of generating another ''abnormal result'' in a sense of buffing another hybrid DoK/WP damage so it can catch up with something that is already ''abnormal''.
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MedV
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Re: DPS vs Shield DOK...DW In a Sad State.

Post#23 » Sat Jan 15, 2022 8:58 am

My proposal would be to remove the 15pt M4 from the torture tree and add an ability.

"Relentless Thirst: Increase movement speed from 30-50% based on percent missing health, when effect fades after use of an ability your next 3 attacks gain X Dmg"

More health missing less speed (would make it harder for DOK to use ability just to get a life tap off or run from fights when low and make its use more specifically to engage a fight.

The increased damage on the 3 attacks would give DOK some of the burst it is currently missing.
The King.

anarchypark
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Re: DPS vs Shield DOK...DW In a Sad State.

Post#24 » Sat Jan 15, 2022 12:16 pm

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pure dps without HD. without pot and morale. 888 str
show me the number.
SM8, SW8, AM8, WL7, KoBS5, BW5, WP8, WH7, IB7, Eng5, RP5, SL6
BG7, Sorc6, DoK8, WE7, Chs8, Mg7, Ze6, Mara6, BO4, SH7, Shm5, Chop4
SC summary - https://www.returnofreckoning.com/forum ... =8&t=20415
( last update : 2020.06.09)

pvprangergod
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Re: DPS vs Shield DOK...DW In a Sad State.

Post#25 » Sat Jan 15, 2022 12:40 pm

anarchypark wrote:
Sat Jan 15, 2022 12:16 pm
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pure dps without HD. without pot and morale. 888 str
show me the number.
lmao you play dps dok without heal debuff, that says enough.

anarchypark
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Re: DPS vs Shield DOK...DW In a Sad State.

Post#26 » Sat Jan 15, 2022 2:56 pm

pvprangergod wrote:
Sat Jan 15, 2022 12:40 pm

lmao you play dps dok without heal debuff, that says enough.

don't worry. it's one of build that saved in mastery switcher.
in case other dps run HD and team need more raw dmg.
besides, OP wanted dmg part.
and it's only 2 tactics difference, more or less.
where's your number btw.
SM8, SW8, AM8, WL7, KoBS5, BW5, WP8, WH7, IB7, Eng5, RP5, SL6
BG7, Sorc6, DoK8, WE7, Chs8, Mg7, Ze6, Mara6, BO4, SH7, Shm5, Chop4
SC summary - https://www.returnofreckoning.com/forum ... =8&t=20415
( last update : 2020.06.09)

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MedV
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Re: DPS vs Shield DOK...DW In a Sad State.

Post#27 » Sun Jan 16, 2022 2:10 am

anarchypark wrote:
Sat Jan 15, 2022 12:16 pm
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pure dps without HD. without pot and morale. 888 str
show me the number.
Nice man! Thanks for the picture can you link your Str/WS/crit chance.

Also show you what number?
The King.

anarchypark
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Re: DPS vs Shield DOK...DW In a Sad State.

Post#28 » Sun Jan 16, 2022 4:36 am

MedV wrote:
Sun Jan 16, 2022 2:10 am

Nice man! Thanks for the picture can you link your Str/WS/crit chance.

Also show you what number?
888/317/37%
sry my bad english. i meant dummy test result number of others.
SM8, SW8, AM8, WL7, KoBS5, BW5, WP8, WH7, IB7, Eng5, RP5, SL6
BG7, Sorc6, DoK8, WE7, Chs8, Mg7, Ze6, Mara6, BO4, SH7, Shm5, Chop4
SC summary - https://www.returnofreckoning.com/forum ... =8&t=20415
( last update : 2020.06.09)

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Xirucio
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Re: DPS vs Shield DOK...DW In a Sad State.

Post#29 » Sun Jan 16, 2022 8:21 am

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Warrior Priest - Full Oppressor, Truth (CnT) Twohander.
864 str, 396 ws, 31% crit.

pvprangergod
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Re: DPS vs Shield DOK...DW In a Sad State.

Post#30 » Mon Jan 17, 2022 6:54 am

anarchypark wrote:
Sat Jan 15, 2022 2:56 pm
pvprangergod wrote:
Sat Jan 15, 2022 12:40 pm

lmao you play dps dok without heal debuff, that says enough.

don't worry. it's one of build that saved in mastery switcher.
in case other dps run HD and team need more raw dmg.
besides, OP wanted dmg part.
and it's only 2 tactics difference, more or less.
where's your number btw.
the celerity tactic is pointless to use because covenants were nerfed so they can only proc once every 2 seconds for the entire group. heal debuff is must have unless you are doing pve.

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