Why High Elves classes so op?

[Dekata]

This has already reached the point of indecency. Why do we need all the other classes? To start playing for realizing that everything else is just a waste of time? Or is it different and easier to turn a blind eye to the problem?

[Lion1986]

This has already reached the point of indecency. Why do we need all the other classes? To start playing for realizing that everything else is just a waste of time? Or is it different and easier to turn a blind eye to the problem?

all classes bring something. HE classes are not OP- people believe that but screaming at the sky won't change reality.

[Sinisterror]

High Elfs truely wield huge power atm. 10% Parry Strikethrough added to 2H was a mistake, Adding insane amount of parry from WS was a mistake, so revert the state of the game before you made the changes to Ws. Basically pls lets just return and use the original formula for calculating this stuff? Double stats in special attacks but double toughness against target.

It is not OK that Slice and Pierce Armor have the same base dmg?? how? just because skill ignores armor doesnt mean that it has same dmg that the skill we have as lvl 1 does??

Welf already has very bad finishers. WB is the only good finisher atm.. Btw if you added 10-50% AA dmg back to Sacrifical Stab then there would be a choice at least between WB/SS.

Back to the High Elf Op issue. SM 2h Has 30% Parry/Block Strikethrough, Just for using 2h and 2 tactics. Wl has 20% Parry Strikethru with 1 tactic and 2h. Dps Am has 10-25% Disrupt/Block Strikethrough.

And SW! Pierce Defenses adds 10% parry/dodge strikethrough, for everyone so SM has 40% Parry strikethrough, 30% still if using just 1 not 2 tactics. WL has 30% as well with pierce defenses.

Sounds a bit too much imo, can we all just admit that mistakes have been made and if there is " Reverse " State of the game semi easily accessible. Change this game to work like it did in 2020? That would be HEAVEN compared to now. 2018 would be even more HEAVEN imo=)

[Farrul]

They have 'centuries of training' and wisdom, what did you expect? A band of halfwit greenskins or unscrupulous Chaos madmen to be a match for the Eldar race? Degenerate ''dark'' elfs that gave up true power for insanity and emo fashion?

On a more serious note, High elves need some compensating for the pointy helmet aesthetics, this is called balance.

In fact if you look at order, best tank spot: Kotbs, best DPS spot , WL , best healer spot WP, then logic suggest we should ask the question, why are Empire classes OP? Why are dwarf classes underpowered? This of course isn't really true since it disregards many aspects of the game but with the level of reasoning of the OP this appear like science in comparison.

High Elfs truely wield huge power atm. 10% Parry Strikethrough added to 2H was a mistake, Adding insane amount of parry from WS was a mistake, so revert the state of the game before you made the changes to Ws. Basically pls lets just return and use the original formula for calculating this stuff? Double stats in special attacks but double toughness against target.

WS gives no parry, all strikethroughs received a nerf a few patches back.

Back to the High Elf Op issue. SM 2h Has 30% Parry/Block Strikethrough, Just for using 2h and 2 tactics. Wl has 20% Parry Strikethru with 1 tactic and 2h. Dps Am has 10-25% Disrupt/Block Strikethrough.

2 tactis are 50% of the amount available, that's a huge investment and no sane SM will do that since it would suck hard in more important areas. As an SM tank you'll want important tactics such as Rugged, Perfect defences, Vauls buffer and Raked talons, any of those are far superior to strikethough for a SnB SM, then Ishas protection or Hoeth's tempest or any of the healing tactics comes next in the power scale of tactics.

2H SM likewise has more important tactics, dicerning offence can be used in some situations, it's quite good racial tactic but is it better than 160 wounds orc one? I don't think so. Is it better than - 10 Crit Chosen tactic, i don't think so, better than the Gobo run away tactic? Oh c'mon. Apples and oranges here.

Believe me i wish the game offered 6 tactic slot choices per class to fullfill my dream specs.

And SW! Pierce Defenses adds 10% parry/dodge strikethrough, for everyone so SM has 40% Parry strikethrough, 30% still if using just 1 not 2 tactics. WL has 30% as well with pierce defenses.

Sounds a bit too much imo, can we all just admit that mistakes have been made and if there is " Reverse " State of the game semi easily accessible. Change this game to work like it did in 2020? That would be HEAVEN compared to now. 2018 would be even more HEAVEN imo=)

When it comes to stacking class synergies many things looks OP, there are some crazy synergies in this game, how about KOTBS or BG that will lower everone's defences by 10% , make everyone 10% more crit prone and cut off 120 of their wounds in big Aoe cones? On an offtopic note: I have no idea why not every warband include 2H Kotbs or BG, they are the greatest threat for the enemy melee blob, WB leaders only seeking SnB tanks appear almost ignorant about class mechanics.

[Sinisterror]

They have 'centuries of training' and wisdom, what did you expect? A band of halfwit greenskins or unscrupulous Chaos madmen to be a match for the Eldar race? Degenerate ''dark'' elfs that gave up true power for insanity and emo fashion?

On a more serious note, High elves need some compensating for the pointy helmet aesthetics, this is called balance.

In fact if you look at order, best tank spot: Kotbs, best DPS spot , WL , best healer spot WP, then logic suggest we should ask the question, why are Empire classes OP? Why are dwarf classes underpowered? This of course isn't really true since it disregards many aspects of the game but with the level of reasoning of the OP this appear like science in comparison.

High Elfs truely wield huge power atm. 10% Parry Strikethrough added to 2H was a mistake, Adding insane amount of parry from WS was a mistake, so revert the state of the game before you made the changes to Ws. Basically pls lets just return and use the original formula for calculating this stuff? Double stats in special attacks but double toughness against target.

WS gives no parry, all strikethroughs received a nerf a few patches back.

Back to the High Elf Op issue. SM 2h Has 30% Parry/Block Strikethrough, Just for using 2h and 2 tactics. Wl has 20% Parry Strikethru with 1 tactic and 2h. Dps Am has 10-25% Disrupt/Block Strikethrough.

2 tactis are 50% of the amount available, that's a huge investment and no sane SM will do that since it would suck hard in more important areas. As an SM tank you'll want important tactics such as Rugged, Perfect defences, Vauls buffer and Raked talons, any of those are far superior to strikethough for a SnB SM, then Ishas protection or Hoeth's tempest or any of the healing tactics comes next in the power scale of tactics.

2H SM likewise has more important tactics, dicerning offence can be used in some situations, it's quite good racial tactic but is it better than 160 wounds orc one? I don't think so. Is it better than - 10 Crit Chosen tactic, i don't think so, better than the Gobo run away tactic? Oh c'mon. Apples and oranges here.

Believe me i wish the game offered 6 tactic slot choices per class to fullfill my dream specs.

And SW! Pierce Defenses adds 10% parry/dodge strikethrough, for everyone so SM has 40% Parry strikethrough, 30% still if using just 1 not 2 tactics. WL has 30% as well with pierce defenses.

Sounds a bit too much imo, can we all just admit that mistakes have been made and if there is " Reverse " State of the game semi easily accessible. Change this game to work like it did in 2020? That would be HEAVEN compared to now. 2018 would be even more HEAVEN imo=)

When it comes to stacking class synergies many things looks OP, there are some crazy synergies in this game, how about KOTBS or BG that will lower everone's defences by 10% , make everyone 10% more crit prone and cut off 120 of their wounds in big Aoe cones? On an offtopic note: I have no idea why not every warband include 2H Kotbs or BG, they are the greatest threat for the enemy melee blob, WB leaders only seeking SnB tanks appear almost ignorant about class mechanics.

I like syngergies and want more of them. I know they changed how all this works, i want to go back original formula when BiS char had basically 7-8% Parry from WS not HUGE amounts like before they changed parry to iniative. Imo Iniative should increase your critical rate/critical dmg max inxrease of 15% Crit 25% Crit dmg. Just fast example not thought out but Parry on Ini is weird.

Run Away is Super bad with 10s icd.... if they removed icd i would agree. But you cant buy Strikethrough from renown, you can buy Critical Hit Reduction from renown. Chosen tactic is very good, But i would want crippling strikes back AND original 240ws 240ini 240str Runefang+Mighty Soul for Kotbs. I want Pounce to keep walls, I want to ae pull people from keep/fort/warcamps with my magus/engi pull again.

I love synergies truely but RoR has Removed most of the synergy. And when you can have 30-40% parry strikethru your enemy wont parry almost at all, so if you can negate something close to 0 parry on enemy, it seems to be too much for me

[PROsiak]

Back to the High Elf Op issue. SM 2h Has 30% Parry/Block Strikethrough, Just for using 2h and 2 tactics. Wl has 20% Parry Strikethru with 1 tactic and 2h. Dps Am has 10-25% Disrupt/Block Strikethrough.

And what exactly is so strong about this Parry/Block Strikethrough? Even healer with 10% parry is gonna have 5% parry against this setup. There is no point stacking such high strikethrough and there is no rational way to do it. "Just for using 2 tactics" - you make it sound like it's no big deal and there is no opportunity cost involved in it. SM whether SnB or 2h is extremly tactics starved and will pick any other mandatory tactics above these strikethrough ones just as Farrul said.

What is strong in the current meta are debuffs to avoidance stats, like mentioned Pierce defences. However in that department engi outshines SW.

[Neznan]

HE classes are not OP- people believe that but screaming at the sky won't change reality.

Yap, not OP, that is why most orders are playing them )))
You can have your own oppinion, I can have mine, but statistic....
Check out killboard - it is Lions and SW allover.

At T1 scenarions sometime it is 11 Elfs and one other calss.

[Alubert]

They looks so bad. Let them be op atleast.

[PROsiak]

HE classes are not OP- people believe that but screaming at the sky won't change reality.

Yap, not OP, that is why most orders are playing them )))
You can have your own oppinion, I can have mine, but statistic....
Check out killboard - it is Lions and SW allover.

At T1 scenarions sometime it is 11 Elfs and one other calss.

11 elves backed by one tank and 1 healer, if u're lucky. As for SW i guess order was always full of them, WL's rise would be probably meta followers. And order situation was always stupid - previously it was spam slayer, now spam WL. Cant we have more balanced approach?

[Reivren27]

SM 2h damages almost the same as a profile DPS...