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[Ironbreaker] Grudge fix + Stone 9pts ability rework

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Eathisword
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[Ironbreaker] Grudge fix + Stone 9pts ability rework

Post#1 » Thu Dec 21, 2017 5:22 am

Credit : this proposal was mainly written by TESQ. He asked me to review it and post it if I liked. I also retained some imput for it coming from none other than Peterthepan03.

[IB] Grudge fix and SnB utility

Problem:
1-IB have some management problems with grudge, the proposal aim to give ib a way to directly increase his grudge as BG (although not as fast as BG anyway)

-extremely low gain at start of fight
-increased difficulty when continuously fast engaging/disengaging from fight
-it need to sustain grudge spending for oathfriend buff

2-ib also have a useless skill in mid mastery which can basically be use for the aim and fit well due naming reason into vengeance mastery (to add some flavor)

3-move kneecapper was necessary to put each conditionnal skills (2h /s+b) in their right position on mastery, but alas no change to skill itself and no gain loss for doing it.

4-even if by default shield sweep generate some grudge (some...just 5 if all goes well..) it is bound to s+b so there was no way for 2h go directly generate grudge.

5-runic shield while provide some grudge, is tied to magical dmg, plus you need to be hit from it and IB use grudge for constantly buff himself and oathfriend in every mastery so runic shield is lackluster for this and the grudge effect tied to a skill like that cannot be made to work reliably; as addition as more basic tools is nice as standalone tool especially with 2h and in small scale not much. Moreover it also force you to go 3rd mastery limiting your build choice; aka cant go left-mid masterys (or can but forced to be s+b and rely on a lackluster shield sweep as of now.)

Solution:

kneecapper ->moved into stone core skills
avengening the debt---> moved into core vengeance skills
sield sweep----> became 9 pt stone mastery

change shield sweep in either:

-CD 5, sec hit 3 targets gain 5 grudge x target hit(max 15), cost 25 ap
-CD 10, sec hit 3 ppl gain 10 grudge x target hit(max 30), cost 25 ap

change avengening the debt in either:

-CD 15 sec, require 2h, hit for X damages and you regen 25 grudge, 35 ap.
-CD 30 sec, require 2h, hit for x damages and you regen 50 grudge, 35 ap.

Disposition recap:
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Additional re-work:
Since shield sweep would be a 9pt it could also get additional rework:

also you and your oathfriend will generate morale faster for 10 sec*

*the moral generation component is a blessing and can be shattered like all IB oathfriend's buff.
Farfadet, RR72 shaman
Volgograd, RR80 IB
Video thread here.

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Re: [Ironbreaker] Grudge fix + Stone 9pts ability rework

Post#2 » Thu Dec 21, 2017 2:01 pm

than can you do something like this :
So for example instead;

kneecapper -> became the fixed avenging the debt
avenging the debt---> became fixed shield sweep effect
sield sweep----> became the fixed kneecapper effect

so:

kneecapper ---->
-CD 15 sec, require 2h, hit for X damages and you regen 25 grudge, 35 ap.
-CD 30 sec, require 2h, hit for x damages and you regen 50 grudge, 35 ap.

avenging the debt
-CD 5, sec hit 3 targets gain 5 grudge x target hit(max 15), cost 25 ap
-CD 10, sec hit 3 ppl gain 10 grudge x target hit(max 30), cost 25 ap

shield sweep---->
debuff crit based on grudge

If so, I<ll edit the proposal. If not, its going down the drain till client control I guess !
Farfadet, RR72 shaman
Volgograd, RR80 IB
Video thread here.

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