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Class with few abilities to press (hand condition)

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Re: Class with few abilities to press (hand condition)

Post#11 » Wed Jan 08, 2020 4:48 am

if you don't want to press many buttons there is an amazing addon called NerfedButtons that allows you to combine multiple abilities into only a couple buttons! pm if you need help with it

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Re: Class with few abilities to press (hand condition)

Post#12 » Wed Jan 08, 2020 6:12 am

Ototo wrote: Wed Jan 08, 2020 12:15 am
* WL: Pounce > knockdown > pack attacks > repeat. All in all 6 skills.
Even though I can see you obviously play a WL yourself I have never seen such a bs. You need Charge for when Pounce is on CD or to catch shamans. You need your snare, the armor debuff, the detaunt, there are builds with outgoing healdebuff and finisher. Even with the KD build you need to use Leonine Frenzy on CD to make more damage. Really wondering how you can come up with 6 skills...

I wouldn't advice a mDPS though. In my experience healers have the least buttons to smash, beginning with WP. I think AM is the hardest healer to play and needs the most skills and experience to be a good healer.

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Re: Class with few abilities to press (hand condition)

Post#13 » Wed Jan 08, 2020 7:33 am

andy wrote: Wed Jan 08, 2020 2:00 am
Drozen wrote: Wed Jan 08, 2020 12:54 am Maybe try out the addon nerf Buttons, that way you can play any class/char you would like?
I tried it the other day. It loaded with errors and I couldn't save the chains I did. Seems broken.
I can help u setting it up if u want, msg me on forum if u interested

im using it myself just cuz its easier to play that way and it gives u slight advantages
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Re: Class with few abilities to press (hand condition)

Post#14 » Wed Jan 08, 2020 9:22 am

Lithenir wrote: Wed Jan 08, 2020 6:12 am
Ototo wrote: Wed Jan 08, 2020 12:15 am
* WL: Pounce > knockdown > pack attacks > repeat. All in all 6 skills.
Even though I can see you obviously play a WL yourself I have never seen such a bs. You need Charge for when Pounce is on CD or to catch shamans. You need your snare, the armor debuff, the detaunt, there are builds with outgoing healdebuff and finisher. Even with the KD build you need to use Leonine Frenzy on CD to make more damage. Really wondering how you can come up with 6 skills...

I wouldn't advice a mDPS though. In my experience healers have the least buttons to smash, beginning with WP. I think AM is the hardest healer to play and needs the most skills and experience to be a good healer.
So does every class if you want to exploit its potential. I have as much as 2 full bars of skills in my WP and I'm not calling anyone bs, cause I can see whr they are coming from, and that I don't particularly enjoy WP spams.

Now, count with me: pounce, brutal pounce, force opportunity, coordinated strike, pack assault, sundering chop. If you are implying that your rotation or build is different, I call bs on you. 99% of the buttons that you need are those 6 in that order, with sporadic uses of Charge and Cleave Limb, but only if your lion is not Trained to Threaten, in which case you only need the listed ones.
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Re: Class with few abilities to press (hand condition)

Post#15 » Wed Jan 08, 2020 9:36 am

make me think of this old wh vid, basically play with a 1/2 hot bar
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KaoeSJTEY2U

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Re: Class with few abilities to press (hand condition)

Post#16 » Wed Jan 08, 2020 10:08 am

Ototo wrote: Wed Jan 08, 2020 9:22 am
So does every class if you want to exploit its potential. I have as much as 2 full bars of skills in my WP and I'm not calling anyone bs, cause I can see whr they are coming from, and that I don't particularly enjoy WP spams.

Now, count with me: pounce, brutal pounce, force opportunity, coordinated strike, pack assault, sundering chop. If you are implying that your rotation or build is different, I call bs on you. 99% of the buttons that you need are those 6 in that order, with sporadic uses of Charge and Cleave Limb, but only if your lion is not Trained to Threaten, in which case you only need the listed ones.
For WL you need additional hotkeys for pet control and you definitely need detaunt(!), charge, snare break, call war lion and snare. You can ignore stuff like fetch and silence. Still more buttons than on AM for example, which is arguably the most difficult healer. If you want only a few buttons, WL is a quite bad pick, I would say.
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Re: Class with few abilities to press (hand condition)

Post#17 » Wed Jan 08, 2020 12:17 pm

Ototo wrote: Wed Jan 08, 2020 9:22 am
Lithenir wrote: Wed Jan 08, 2020 6:12 am
Ototo wrote: Wed Jan 08, 2020 12:15 am
* WL: Pounce > knockdown > pack attacks > repeat. All in all 6 skills.
Even though I can see you obviously play a WL yourself I have never seen such a bs. You need Charge for when Pounce is on CD or to catch shamans. You need your snare, the armor debuff, the detaunt, there are builds with outgoing healdebuff and finisher. Even with the KD build you need to use Leonine Frenzy on CD to make more damage. Really wondering how you can come up with 6 skills...

I wouldn't advice a mDPS though. In my experience healers have the least buttons to smash, beginning with WP. I think AM is the hardest healer to play and needs the most skills and experience to be a good healer.
So does every class if you want to exploit its potential. I have as much as 2 full bars of skills in my WP and I'm not calling anyone bs, cause I can see whr they are coming from, and that I don't particularly enjoy WP spams.

Now, count with me: pounce, brutal pounce, force opportunity, coordinated strike, pack assault, sundering chop. If you are implying that your rotation or build is different, I call bs on you. 99% of the buttons that you need are those 6 in that order, with sporadic uses of Charge and Cleave Limb, but only if your lion is not Trained to Threaten, in which case you only need the listed ones.
You can call bs on me because my rotation/build is different.
And these are not the 6 skills you need in that solo/hunting build. You need Leonine Frenzy for your pet to make more dmg and to make it snare-immune for Fetch and KD. And even if the Lion is Trained to Threaten I would still need Cleave Limb because I don't trust the Lion to snare my target exactly when I want it to be snared. Otherwise I need a keybind for the Lion-snare which still makes it a skill more to use. Even with LoyalPet I use my own snare.
WL is quite hard to master, I really wouldn't advice it for few buttons.

But if we go for the least skills you use 99% of the time why not advice WE/WH since you pointed out it takes only 5 buttons most of the time?

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Re: Class with few abilities to press (hand condition)

Post#18 » Wed Jan 08, 2020 12:44 pm

Use Nerfed Buttons Addon, you can do 5 skills in 1 hotkey.
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Re: Class with few abilities to press (hand condition)

Post#19 » Wed Jan 08, 2020 12:58 pm

Lithenir wrote: Wed Jan 08, 2020 12:17 pm You can call bs on me because my rotation/build is different.
And these are not the 6 skills you need in that solo/hunting build. You need Leonine Frenzy for your pet to make more dmg and to make it snare-immune for Fetch and KD. And even if the Lion is Trained to Threaten I would still need Cleave Limb because I don't trust the Lion to snare my target exactly when I want it to be snared. Otherwise I need a keybind for the Lion-snare which still makes it a skill more to use. Even with LoyalPet I use my own snare.
WL is quite hard to master, I really wouldn't advice it for few buttons.

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Ototo wrote: Wed Jan 08, 2020 9:22 am So does every class if you want to exploit its potential. I have as much as 2 full bars of skills in my WP and I'm not calling anyone bs, cause I can see whr they are coming from, and that I don't particularly enjoy WP spams.
Lithenir wrote: Wed Jan 08, 2020 12:17 pm But if we go for the least skills you use 99% of the time why not advice WE/WH since you pointed out it takes only 5 buttons most of the time?

Cause the class is not a button spamer until that you have Conq gear, potions, Subj weapons, etc... enough to overcome how glassy it is. With support in small scale is a button spamer and I wrote exactly that in the comment you're referring to, but for any other gameplay or situation you need a lot of things to not die instantly before you can deal meaningful damage. The class can't withstand a Sorc/Magus enough time to reach them in mele until you get the Shroud if you aren't cloaked, neither has anything else other than the surprise until you build some survivability with knockdowns to allow you to deal damage before the enemy can exploit your laughable small health pool. The start of that comes at around level 25ish with the knockdown, combined later with the 2 secs invisibility + increased speed. It normally takes up to rr 50+ to be able to have a minimally decent equipment to overcome the class inherent weaknesses, and until then your only chances rely in using a crap ton of skills, cause there's no instance to increase survivability like SW/SH have, or a lion that you can throw at your target to snare them. I have 10 potions bookmarked in my WH skill bars, and I use them all very frequently.

Don't forget that this also a class that has zero WB utility, meaning that even WL very limited frontal AoE and missile-lion is still a lot over the top compared. You may be of use since level 30ish if you spec in AoE, but that is only a choice for WHs, and not suitable for WEs, which AoE tree is awful but single target tree is awesome. You will be mostly just a trouble for your healers and not much more until you can run solo, which is the purpose of the class.

So, yeah, late end game and group supported WE/WH are button spamers, but the road that leads there if you don't have a stable group is filled only with strong difficult situations and weaknesses, that only a ton of skills and potions can overcome. Or you can die, A LOT, without getting anything. Sure, you can also grind exclusively via scenarios to get a support group in an enclosed environment, but will be just that, grind to avoid the underdog trouble that this class has inherently to itself.
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Re: Class with few abilities to press (hand condition)

Post#20 » Wed Jan 08, 2020 2:47 pm

Knight: Aura are passive, very popular wb leader class for a reason becuase of the low input requirement to fulfill the basic classrole.

Bright Wizard: Aoe rotation is very easy, ST rotation is a bit more extensive but still on the simpler side.

Runepriest: Straightforward healer with a couple "oh ****" buttons.

Warriorpriest: More complex than the class lets on but if you can handle 10 buttons you should be fine. (in it's healspec)
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