2h Tank guard

[detrap]

You are not aware that it stacks, because it does not stack. Both are skills, even if having different names and slightly different effect, only the highest value of each individual stat increase counts.

@detrap: That both show up in your buffbar doesn't matter. You have to test it with .getstats to verify it but you don't have to, I have already done it.

Confirmed Vanq bonus and Sent 2h stacks, one is on hit and one is on defend, if bloodlord is the same as the sent 2h then it means you just have more of a chance for it to proc. Ty for checking.

What? no, listen, if you have 2 procs with the same name, their chance of proccing don't add up.
Can you provide a screen of the two procs stacking? The fact that one is on hit and another on defend means nothing.
Generally speaking, if one give 7% avoidance and the other 10% you will not have +17%, you will always have +10%. Althought, having one on hit and one on defense grants you more chance to have avoidences incresed by either 7% or 10%.

They are two different procs...one is Reactionary, the other is Active Defences, so they stack.

No proc: https://imgur.com/6itj47c

Reactionary Proc: https://imgur.com/9jctt1q

Active Defenses Proc Stacking: https://imgur.com/GNX1ntr

[detrap]

oh ok. I was quite sure that he was wrong. But since I don't have all the gear I couldn't prove it. I know the general rule for stacking and it seemed very strange that those two procs were stacking.

Confirmed Vanq and the 2H defensive proc stacks.

They don't. Even if your charcter sheet says they do, on .getstat they don't. Says a lot about your insight about game mechanics.

No proc: https://imgur.com/6itj47c

Reactionary Proc: https://imgur.com/9jctt1q

Active Defenses Proc Stacking: https://imgur.com/GNX1ntr

[Ysaran]

Confirmed Vanq and the 2H defensive proc stacks.

They don't. Even if your charcter sheet says they do, on .getstat they don't. Says a lot about your insight about game mechanics.

No proc: https://imgur.com/6itj47c

Reactionary Proc: https://imgur.com/9jctt1q

Active Defenses Proc Stacking: https://imgur.com/GNX1ntr

The only accountable way to know your avoidance is .getstat. Any other addon/window/command isn't accurate

[detrap]

They don't. Even if your charcter sheet says they do, on .getstat they don't. Says a lot about your insight about game mechanics.

No proc: https://imgur.com/6itj47c

Reactionary Proc: https://imgur.com/9jctt1q

Active Defenses Proc Stacking: https://imgur.com/GNX1ntr

The only accountable way to know your avoidance is .getstat. Any other addon/window/command isn't accurate

That is from getstats, there's an add-on that puts it on your UI so it can update on the fly. I've shrunk it down to fit on my screen and lock it there so it's not taking up much space, not sure maybe I used vectors to do it.

[Sulorie]

Sent weapon proc and vanq 4pc proc don't stack, despite one is on defense, one on attack. Vanq proc gives block as well, which is the only addition you get, when you have sent proc up at the same time.

Quit posting paperdoll stats, they are meaningless.

[Sulorie]

That is from getstats, there's an add-on that puts it on your UI so it can update on the fly.

How is that addon called?

[Rapzel]

No proc: https://imgur.com/6itj47c

Reactionary Proc: https://imgur.com/9jctt1q

Active Defenses Proc Stacking: https://imgur.com/GNX1ntr

The only accountable way to know your avoidance is .getstat. Any other addon/window/command isn't accurate

That is from getstats, there's an add-on that puts it on your UI so it can update on the fly. I've shrunk it down to fit on my screen and lock it there so it's not taking up much space, not sure maybe I used vectors to do it.

The issue is that you're wrong
Both proccs active


7% block added block +10% disrupt/dodge/parry

Zero proccs on.

I can pm you the combat log if you like. "2k highest 3 seconds burst"...So you can see why this is one of the reasons the guard changes came about. Never said tanks were OP and made them out to be OP, please read the past comments. I'll repeat it again, 2h tanks could easily be the last one standing along with snb tanks in city warbands, and have the ability to be more aggressive with less of a penalty to their survivability from guard damage if they stacked parry.

Don't care tbh, SnB tank has other strengths that 2h doesn't have, such as htl which makes it an excellent front-liner to body block melee during pushes. 2h tanks melt on the frontline, always has done, try pushing on a 2h without m4 in any fort, for some reason it's way easier on a SnB tank. 2000 dmg over a 3 sec period is 633 DPS, that's 10 sec to kill a Vanq SW, dmg with 2H is a none issue.

[Ysaran]

Omg, who would have ever expected that two prova don't stack.
*Surprised Pikachu face*

[detrap]

The only accountable way to know your avoidance is .getstat. Any other addon/window/command isn't accurate

That is from getstats, there's an add-on that puts it on your UI so it can update on the fly. I've shrunk it down to fit on my screen and lock it there so it's not taking up much space, not sure maybe I used vectors to do it.

The issue is that you're wrong
Both proccs active


7% block added block +10% disrupt/dodge/parry

Zero proccs on.

I can pm you the combat log if you like. "2k highest 3 seconds burst"...So you can see why this is one of the reasons the guard changes came about. Never said tanks were OP and made them out to be OP, please read the past comments. I'll repeat it again, 2h tanks could easily be the last one standing along with snb tanks in city warbands, and have the ability to be more aggressive with less of a penalty to their survivability from guard damage if they stacked parry.

Don't care tbh, SnB tank has other strengths that 2h doesn't have, such as htl which makes it an excellent front-liner to body block melee during pushes. 2h tanks melt on the frontline, always has done, try pushing on a 2h without m4 in any fort, for some reason it's way easier on a SnB tank. 2000 dmg over a 3 sec period is 633 DPS, that's 10 sec to kill a Vanq SW, dmg with 2H is a none issue.

Then the addon wrong and outdated. Thanks for clarifying. Since they don't stack, using those sets would still be good, as well as warlord? At least you have better chancs for more uptime in buffing your defensive stats.

2H tanks apart from the SM have always struggled in Orvr when facing multiple warbands, the reasoning was used for end game content, in this case it is city fights.

Thank you for testing again.

[sharpblader]

Spoiler:

I said tanks can be equal to or better at taking guard damage with a 2h build before the changes.

SM can be better than most snb tanks at eating guard damage. Any other tank class that could buff its own parry was capable of being just as hard to kill via guard damage as snb tanks.





Any tank that can get high amounts of parry was getting away with doing a lot more damage than a snb tank whilst surviving just as well, because in city fights for example, tanks are targeted last regardless they are 2h or snb.





Examples are SM/Chosen/BG/IB. Any tank that can get high amounts of parry. I'm also taking into consideration that tanks also need to use abilities to increase their block rate. SM was used because it's a clear example.





Please ask in game how much parry each tank can stack, being high renown rank doesn't necessarily mean someone's words hold much weight, which looks like the case throughout this thread. I'm still learning new things every few weeks about the classes I play.

If you have 2h tanks that are melting to guard damage, ask for help. If the response is from someone salty about the changes, ask someone who actually is doing just fine with it.

Never said high renown means your word holds more weight. But your claims warrant an investigation into your 'qualifications'.

I'm just questioning your reluctance to disclose what 2h tanks you play and at what RR.

True apples to apples comparison for anything can be made at the highest gear possible vs the highest gear possible (assuming skill is same).

Again, not asking the above to discredit you as a player but your claims. If I know you play at that level I know your opinion is personal NOT hearsay from what you ask others and your own theory.

Why do I want to discredit your claims? Because you make it seem like 2h was so powerful at guarding that SnB was completely obsolete. If that was true, no organized wb would take a SnB chosen, IB, BG, or SM.

If SM was so OP as a champ guard the problem lies with SM avoidance. NOT the entire system of how guard works.

Because you make it seem like 2h was so powerful at guarding that SnB was completely obsolete. If that was true, no organized wb would take a SnB chosen, IB, BG, or SM.

If SM was so OP as a champ guard the problem lies with SM avoidance. NOT the entire system of how guard works.

It was a lot more powerful before than it is now obviously. The 2H SM wasn't OP with guard, it is just the equivalent of the BO block channel. The BO variant is better, but balanced out because they have to spec for it and it gets a movement speed penalty. I used the SM as a clear example seeing that they can channel 100% parry on demand.

Obviously! Duh! Organized WBs are now accepting SnB classes as guard bots again thank god!

Where are you taking the argument? Why are you still avoiding my question? Your clear example does not warrant that every 2h tank with high parry was guarding better than any SnB tank.

You know what? Ill take the advice of someone who posted earlier to stop arguing with you. Because it is clear that you are in over your head. Let someone else take the headache. To them I wish good luck.