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Tuxedo013
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Re: Mara or White lion

Post#11 » Sun Sep 25, 2022 9:09 pm

Both

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Gargis
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Re: Mara or White lion

Post#12 » Mon Sep 26, 2022 2:52 am

Mara is better than a WL.

Want proof of WL liabilities, go watch the 12 man match between Evil and Oath, its a few pages back. They called for pet kill several times which kills the ST damage on a WL. The pet dies very fast when focused. No reliable pull in wb play because of the pet, you have to go AE spec with loner.

WL does not have an incoming heal debuff. It has an outgoing heal debuff that you can spec for but an IB can do the same. If you do get the heal debuff, your armor debuff will be less.

C tier class at best, true function is to make a slayer more deadly.

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Re: Mara or White lion

Post#13 » Mon Sep 26, 2022 4:01 am

White Lion is a fun class to play. Good Armor Debuff as someone else cited, nice damage, AOE spec is effective, and you don't have to clean up after your pet.
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Re: Mara or White lion

Post#14 » Mon Sep 26, 2022 7:46 am

WL is easier and more effective solo roaming. Better burst.

Mara is harder, but better utility in small scale and warbands. Usually higher sustain in aoe warbands.
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SuperStar
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Re: Mara or White lion

Post#15 » Mon Sep 26, 2022 10:59 am

I have both.

SOLO:
I have more fun with WL (high rr def regen welfs can couse problem.)

With mara harder to kite or catch. Régen tanks, SM, good SW, AM can make problem.

PUG SC:
WL same as solo but mara can have fun too if your team is not totally hopeless. Wl can find his fun alone doesn't matter the team.

Premade SC: both really fun and cool.


PUG WB: the wl life is harder imo than mara. Wl don't have good aoe abilities imo. Mara far more fun better sustain KD aoe interrupt.

PREMADe WB I think mara have more fun coz better aoe abilities imo, but with a good team wl can find the fun too. IMO premade és premade WB mara is lot more better than lion. Lion can yamping that's all other way it's lil bit boring imo.

Mara is a close combat wl is a bit of ranged if you know how I mean you send a lion lot of time and pull the target for you mara pull is not as good as lion imo. Maras usually run to the enemy blob and do a aoe KD. So it's depends on you I recommend make both you will have fun with them.

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Re: Mara or White lion

Post#16 » Mon Sep 26, 2022 1:23 pm

SuperStar wrote: Mon Sep 26, 2022 10:59 am mara pull is not as good as lion imo.
You are kidding, right???
This is the worst nonsence on this forum for a whole week.
(Mara pull range is curently bugged hard):
https://github.com/WarEmu/WarBugs/issues/19771
https://github.com/WarEmu/WarBugs/issues/20338
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6HsWI3kDzY
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SuperStar
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Re: Mara or White lion

Post#17 » Mon Sep 26, 2022 1:32 pm

Ninjagon wrote: Mon Sep 26, 2022 1:23 pm
SuperStar wrote: Mon Sep 26, 2022 10:59 am mara pull is not as good as lion imo.
You are kidding, right???
This is the worst nonsence on this forum for a whole week.
(Mara pull range is curently bugged hard):
https://github.com/WarEmu/WarBugs/issues/19771
https://github.com/WarEmu/WarBugs/issues/20338
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6HsWI3kDzY
Wl pull is insta imo, no casted and the my lion always pull. The mara pull not always happened and casted. But I played my mara long time ago.

lemao
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Re: Mara or White lion

Post#18 » Mon Sep 26, 2022 3:09 pm

Gargis wrote: Mon Sep 26, 2022 2:52 am Mara is better than a WL.

Want proof of WL liabilities, go watch the 12 man match between Evil and Oath, its a few pages back. They called for pet kill several times which kills the ST damage on a WL. The pet dies very fast when focused. No reliable pull in wb play because of the pet, you have to go AE spec with loner.

WL does not have an incoming heal debuff. It has an outgoing heal debuff that you can spec for but an IB can do the same. If you do get the heal debuff, your armor debuff will be less.

C tier class at best, true function is to make a slayer more deadly.
You dont have to go loner as ST WL. You just simply slot revenge tactic.

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Gargis
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Re: Mara or White lion

Post#19 » Tue Sep 27, 2022 12:26 pm

"You dont have to go loner as ST WL. You just simply slot revenge tactic."

Yea, so what? You will still do less damage w/o the pet. So much for the Revenge tactic, ohh and you can still not pull anyone then. /joy

Go look at the Oath vrs Evil; 12 vrs 12 video, its a few pages back. In organized play, the WL can be hard countered of a lot of its burst damage. In that video, there was several pet kill calls, and that pet dropped like a rock. Just like what can and does occur in sc play.

If your interested though, there is a new function of the WL pet....its to proc Run Away on a shaman, probably the most hilarious part of the video. So much for counters to Run Away. Pathetic that a class supposed counter to Run Away actually facilitates its own impotence. /LMAO

The WL is a C tier class at best. No incoming heal debuff, no reliable pull in scs, no pull whatsoever in wb play. Fluff AE damage with Jagged Edge. It does have an AE interrupt, but you know what, you better off with a SM. Also, better off with IB for outgoing heal debuff.

Sure can be fun to solo with, but its not even that good at that. Unless your killing under geared ppl coming out of the wc. Is there where you /flex?

Had to add this, the Mara bring a lot more to wb play in its AE spec compared to the WL. More that just the AE ws debuff, more that just the AE KD, but slap on top of that morale drain. /very nice + other goodies.

Order wbs can get by a w/o WLs AE spec. SW is probably better for morale drain. Actually, Order wb don't really need a WL at all. It would be a serious detriment not to bring a mara though. Yea, C tier class at best.

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Re: Mara or White lion

Post#20 » Tue Sep 27, 2022 3:36 pm

Gargis wrote: Tue Sep 27, 2022 12:26 pm "You dont have to go loner as ST WL. You just simply slot revenge tactic."

Yea, so what? You will still do less damage w/o the pet. So much for the Revenge tactic, ohh and you can still not pull anyone then. /joy

Go look at the Oath vrs Evil; 12 vrs 12 video, its a few pages back. In organized play, the WL can be hard countered of a lot of its burst damage. In that video, there was several pet kill calls, and that pet dropped like a rock. Just like what can and does occur in sc play.

If your interested though, there is a new function of the WL pet....its to proc Run Away on a shaman, probably the most hilarious part of the video. So much for counters to Run Away. Pathetic that a class supposed counter to Run Away actually facilitates its own impotence. /LMAO

The WL is a C tier class at best. No incoming heal debuff, no reliable pull in scs, no pull whatsoever in wb play. Fluff AE damage with Jagged Edge. It does have an AE interrupt, but you know what, you better off with a SM. Also, better off with IB for outgoing heal debuff.

Sure can be fun to solo with, but its not even that good at that. Unless your killing under geared ppl coming out of the wc. Is there where you /flex?

Had to add this, the Mara bring a lot more to wb play in its AE spec compared to the WL. More that just the AE ws debuff, more that just the AE KD, but slap on top of that morale drain. /very nice + other goodies.

Order wbs can get by a w/o WLs AE spec. SW is probably better for morale drain. Actually, Order wb don't really need a WL at all. It would be a serious detriment not to bring a mara though. Yea, C tier class at best.
If you manage to acually control your pet with keybinds it should be no biggy and even if they kill your pet you have 50 % extra damage boost from revenge for 10 seconds, which is enough to kill someone if assisted.
You also dont require a pull to always kill someone, its 30 second cd anyways. If your tanks have a brain and use snares it should be fine. I agree with you , mara pull is superior, but can also be easily interrupted.
Paired with a good WH you have extremely high burst and can kill people in kd if they dont manage to get a detaunt of.
When it comes to 12vs12 fights WL is extremely good, that WL also didnt play well in your mentioned video, i agree tho Mara provides more in Warband fights overall.

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