Return of Reckoning

Git to da choppa - this is the most killing ability in this game, kill me more times then anything else (ad i play destro i was thinking is crap like it was on live, but now i play order and its absolutly insane)

Foltestik wrote:Git to da choppa - this is the most killing ability in this game, kill me more times then anything else (ad i play destro i was thinking is crap like it was on live, but now i play order and its absolutly insane)

pffft no heal debuff or anything if you go up GtTC atm you shouldnt die to a wreka choppa at this stage of the game

paps wrote:edit: Game was designed to mirror WB vs WB \, not Class vs Class.

I'm average=>poor player and because of that I don't really participtae in nerf/buff threads (even relating to class I'm playing).
But:
- nobody said this in the thread, but please, don't say Chop fasta is counter for SL. It's not.
- SW has WW on 20s CD. Besides CD decrease, it deals spirit dmg and has silence effect. CF is JUST a buff without any other effect on 120s CD.
- Bad Gas IS destro SL mirror. Problem is it's on melee tree on RDPS class. Because of that, it's not even close to SL.

My post is not a vote for nerf/buff/slayer OP/choppa UP. I kinda got used to be SLed. Just want you to realise the difference - .irrorred WBvsWB my ass ;-P And yes, I think Mara in t4 was OP.

Cheers!

After the recent nerve Shadow Warrior, you want the UP choppa and other thread asked the WL nerve, and also WP, limit, it's time to nerve the order ?

Realise the difference ? Give the slayer an AP regen every 20 seconds with damage in the first tree, then a grappling hook in the third, he will be happy ? Yes ! But he dont ask ! Seriously...all destro want kill everyone ? Play with friends !

Oh god no. Like seriously, no to the nth power.

Your biggest flaw is when you say you are not asking for a slayer nerf. Why. This is not some stale wow/gw type game where you cant ever nerf a class because a bunch of fanboys will ragequit, so you have to keep up a constant powercreep to try to balance without ever upsetting anyone (which spoiler alert: doesnt work). Slayers need a nerf. In their aoe line. Full. Goddamn. Stop.

Choppas on the other hand are fine. Literally they could not be more fine. They are almost perfectly balanced right now in terms of risk/reward. Their 2h spec does max dps with low survivability, their aoe tree is about aoe/utility (and doesnt have more dps than the other lines), and so on. They have some minor fixes needed (like some of the worthless tactics), but thats about it. They ABSOLUTELY DO NOT need to be buffed into slayers. Slayers need to be made into choppas.

Choppa doesn't need any buffs.

Okay;

Choppas were OP pre-1.4.8 because they had a a spammable armour debuff that costed like 15 AP. Post 1.4.8 they struggled because armour values were so dumb.

I was able to play a choppa in tier 3 during 1.4.8 (that's when everyone was in Conqueror) and the choppa was still a brutal MDPS. Access to the Crit tactic makes them super solid. Pair them with a marauder and you will kill anything.

minor complaints: Wot Rules? should be in the middle tree, and the cool down on Chop Faster and Detaunt are a little high. (atleast my detaunts don't get disrupted or blocked now)

Wishlist: Soloing and roaming be more 'accessible' with access to Rampage. Order has access to the side with the 100% parry and Undefendable attacks ...

paps wrote:

Vdova wrote: Slayer has his "Inevitable doom" targetable single target Dot with his AOE effect(still uncleansble?)

Azarael wrote:

• Inevitable Doom is an Ailment instead of Damaging

edit: Game was designed to mirror WB vs WB \, not Class vs Class.

Let me be sarcastic here.
If game is designed to mirror WB vs WB why there is no ranged KD on destro side? Why no destro have undefendable attacks for 20s, why mirror to Slayers SL lies in the most worthles SH melee tree? Why no destro has acces to pounce? This WB vs WB balance is bullshit and You know that .-)

Once I was told that most of order classes(not all) are just better designed than destro ones, but destro ones looks better and are more fun to play, thats why anyone bother to play them. Than he went on order side
Was he true? Everyone must decide ))

Vdova wrote:
Let me be sarcastic here. Let me as well
If game is designed to mirror WB vs WB why there is no ranged KD on destro side?Cuz Marauder Why no destro have undefendable attacks for 20s, Cuz Sorcs why mirror to Slayers SL lies in the most worthles SH melee tree?Cuz WE's Why no destro has acces to pounce? Cuz Gobbos and Run Away This WB vs WB balance is bullshit and You know that .-) I don't think anyone ever wanted it to be balanced 24v24. Most people wanted it balanced either around 1v1 or 6v6, 6v6 feels more realistic

magter3001 wrote:

Vdova wrote:
Let me be sarcastic here. Let me as well
If game is designed to mirror WB vs WB why there is no ranged KD on destro side?Cuz Marauder Why no destro have undefendable attacks for 20s, Cuz Sorcs why mirror to Slayers SL lies in the most worthles SH melee tree?Cuz WE's Why no destro has acces to pounce? Cuz Gobbos and Run Away This WB vs WB balance is bullshit and You know that .-) I don't think anyone ever wanted it to be balanced 24v24. Most people wanted it balanced either around 1v1 or 6v6, 6v6 feels more realistic

No ranged KD because marauder. I dont see logic. If You mean Maras pull WL have fetch no undefendable buff for all atack because sorc? If I close both eyes Sorc is proper mirror to Wizard. Except BWs heal debuff and ranged knockdown. Ok offensive spammable dmg dealing pounce vs runaway tactics. Not fair comparsion,but I take that.
No shattered limbs because of WE?. Both classes are pretty mirrors. WE has witchbrew,OYK,PA WH have BaL,EW,100%parry.

There is literaly no excuse destro side has no acces to such tools except SL mirror in completely trash SHs tree whitch nobody spec for.