Return of Reckoning

My maras damage has never been better since the corrosion proc I feel more relevant now I can have growing instability.

I can't speak for mara, but for white lion, the corrosion proc is an inferior redundancy.

While not all WL's have to spec FO, I believe the vast majority do. With that said, FO is a 1300 - 1400 armor debuff. The proc is 900. They do not stack.

If the proc remains as is, I do not believe WL's will use 5 pc dev. Is this game-breaking? no. But, one of the primary intentions of all the set redesigns was to provide "options". I feel this proc, on the WL, already confirms what the previous set (when the proc wasn't working) identified: (i.e 4pc dev with an additional non-dev crit piece was the go to build).

Perhaps i'm being close minded though. Maybe there is some guardian, KD build for a solo-roamer that is now accessible because an inferior armor debuff is still available.

Just my opinion.

mursie wrote:I can't speak for mara, but for white lion, the corrosion proc is an inferior redundancy.

While not all WL's have to spec FO, I believe the vast majority do. With that said, FO is a 1300 - 1400 armor debuff. The proc is 900. They do not stack.

If the proc remains as is, I do not believe WL's will use 5 pc dev. Is this game-breaking? no. But, one of the primary intentions of all the set redesigns was to provide "options". I feel this proc, on the WL, already confirms what the previous set (when the proc wasn't working) identified: (i.e 4pc dev with an additional non-dev crit piece was the go to build).

Perhaps i'm being close minded though. Maybe there is some guardian, KD build for a solo-roamer that is now accessible because an inferior armor debuff is still available.

Just my opinion.

Its the crit tactic lions is core marauders is not. Without it I don't hit anywhere near as hard

Hi - I know this isn't a balance change or anything, so it may take awhile... just curious if any update on thoughts about redundant procs.

mursie wrote:Hi - I know this isn't a balance change or anything, so it may take awhile... just curious if any update on thoughts about redundant procs.

It occurred to me after the fact, but I posted my response in another (read: the wrong) thread:

Genisaurus wrote:After reviewing the feedback I've received and in this thread, and keeping in mind that the sets are supposed to promote alternate playstyles, I would like to propose changing Corrosion to Clarity for White Lions while keeping Corrosion for Marauders.

Is this something that would be appreciated by both sides?

As it was pointed out, the Marauder has to spec into their 50% crit damage tactic, which makes having an alternate spec to Cutting Claw more appealing. The White Lion on the other hand gets their crit damage tactic as a core tactic, and has little reason to spec into any other tree at this time (and that spec wouldn't be in T3 anyway). There are some other changes I'm playing with as well - from my notes:

SW/SQ:
Devastator 5-Piece: Marked -> Domination
Duelist 5-Piece: Quickening -> Creeping

WL:
Devastator 5-Piece: Corrosion -> Clarity

SL/CH:
Devastator 5-Piece: Clarity -> Overwhelming
Duelist 5-Piece: Mending -> Barrier (Due to Mending's effect not matching tooltip values [possible willpower scaling?]) no ICD makes this more favorable on MDPS

AM/SH:
Devastator 5-Piece: Preservaton -> Quickening
Duelist 5-Piece: Barrier -> Preservation

Thank you sir. I appreciate your time and response.

I am encouraged by this development.

it's nice for mara, gives brutality spec more viability
The proc doesn't have to complete the cookie cutter spec, it can also make other specs viable.
If one of those 2 cases are true, then the proc should stay, imo

Reklaw wrote:it's nice for mara, gives brutality spec more viability
The proc doesn't have to complete the cookie cutter spec, it can also make other specs viable.
If one of those 2 cases are true, then the proc should stay, imo

Yeah but most classes get procs for cookie cutter specs so why mara shouldn't?

rmpl wrote:

Reklaw wrote:it's nice for mara, gives brutality spec more viability
The proc doesn't have to complete the cookie cutter spec, it can also make other specs viable.
If one of those 2 cases are true, then the proc should stay, imo

Yeah but most classes get procs for cookie cutter specs so why mara shouldn't?

There are few procs that would be useful for mara that wouldn't also be over powered. I see much bigger numbers (biggest so far 1627 guillotine after limited play) This is a very good proc for us be happy

Genisaurus wrote: AM/SH:
Devastator 5-Piece: Preservaton -> Quickening
Duelist 5-Piece: Barrier -> Preservation

Please no, Preservation worth much more for both healing AM and shamans. Better give Quickening for duelist set since dps AM and dps shamans are more dependent of skills with cast time \well dps shamans at least...\.
Making these changes means for me that 4 stalker + 2 dev will be much more superior to full dev