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Re: [Magus] Level 35 ST Spec
Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2016 11:23 pm
by peterthepan3
I'm debating the same. However I just can't see how 15% crit is better than Indigo Fire/improving SOI's dmg for the crit tactic/increased range. IFOC will deal very nice damage, and give you a good amount of AP if you kill someone, thus allowing you to keep on damaging.
Re: [Magus] Level 35 ST Spec
Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2016 11:55 pm
by Sizer
Renork wrote:Sizer wrote:That build is decent, but if you want to really deal damage, stay away from havoc. BoC is mediocre, the damage is too slow and too unreliable and youll never burst someone down who has heals. The range tactic is also meh, its nice at times, but you cant spare tactic slots, only place id consider it is a keep defense.
Id go with
waronlinebuilder.org - Magus build
Running endless knowledge, surging power, and daemonic contract, and id pick up the ap tactic just in case you need it - giving ap to the group can be a massive buff even if you lose dps. And just because you have a close quarters tactic, it doesnt mean you spam lash, this build can very much be played as a ST spec, just start at a ~65 foot range, dot someone up, and move in to ~30 feet to finish them with surge/svf, and keep moving back and forth. Harder to play than a spec from 98 feet, but its way more damage.
Um...BoC is mandatory for ST burst spec. It's not as optimal right now because we lack our lovely 15% damage increase but it's still decent.
Thats not the only ST spec though, and its not great - my opinion has always been if you want to stand 100 feet away and use BoC to try to burst someone down like a sorc, just play a sorc.
Re: [Magus] Level 35 ST Spec
Posted: Mon Feb 22, 2016 12:08 am
by Renork
Sizer wrote:Renork wrote:Sizer wrote:That build is decent, but if you want to really deal damage, stay away from havoc. BoC is mediocre, the damage is too slow and too unreliable and youll never burst someone down who has heals. The range tactic is also meh, its nice at times, but you cant spare tactic slots, only place id consider it is a keep defense.
Id go with
waronlinebuilder.org - Magus build
Running endless knowledge, surging power, and daemonic contract, and id pick up the ap tactic just in case you need it - giving ap to the group can be a massive buff even if you lose dps. And just because you have a close quarters tactic, it doesnt mean you spam lash, this build can very much be played as a ST spec, just start at a ~65 foot range, dot someone up, and move in to ~30 feet to finish them with surge/svf, and keep moving back and forth. Harder to play than a spec from 98 feet, but its way more damage.
Um...BoC is mandatory for ST burst spec. It's not as optimal right now because we lack our lovely 15% damage increase but it's still decent.
Thats not the only ST spec though, and its not great - my opinion has always been if you want to stand 100 feet away and use BoC to try to burst someone down like a sorc, just play a sorc.
You clearly have not played a magus. Wait until you actually play one at 40, then try BoC/FRF/SVF/IFOC (assuming decent gear). Your spec is very odd (35), you are assuming people will stand by your pet to regain ap (good luck, unless you're defending a keep), seed of chaos is terrible (why this over AT?, you pick DC and pick-up seed of chaos and not AT? what?). You serve no purpose being on the front and actually create more stress on the healers for less damage, your 15% damage is still not going to create any sort of pressure until we have better gear and our 4th tactic slot. You literally have no burst with this spec, so please provide your rotation.
Edit: I hope you're not part of the 95% magi players that stand there casting IFOC on a target and expecting it to die.
Re: [Magus] Level 35 ST Spec
Posted: Mon Feb 22, 2016 12:09 am
by Renork
peterthepan3 wrote:Renork wrote:peterthepan3 wrote:Aside: mutating blue fire is nice to have. A good DoT component too (would be nice if Surging Power affected this one!)
The DoT component should be increased or an additional effect should be added. I don't recall using MBF at 40, unless I wanted to troll around :> it looks pretty though.
Likewise - the long casttime just made it not worth it. An additional effect, eh? We should get our thinking caps on again!
I know you prefer magus to have more damage but I'm more into debuffing :^)
Initiative debuff would be nice!
Re: [Magus] Level 35 ST Spec
Posted: Mon Feb 22, 2016 1:38 am
by peterthepan3
Ini debuff would be cool, actually.... (and would, in a roundabout way, give more damage...

) so I'm game. ST-wise I feel pretty solid in BOC/IFOC, until the cleanses come my way/lack of any debuff/INCHD wakes me up.