Return of Reckoning

is it even possible for good shamans to lose 1v1? Maybe if youre afk and a white lion snacks on you...

ToXoS wrote:Sure, let me tell you how you can survive a WL burst as a SH:
You can't.

Even detaunted these bastards will hunt you down.
But that makes them easy to bait. No WL can resist the appeal of a free kill on a gobbo.

Be sure to have a WE friend for this kind of trap.

It works everytime

Or you could just play in a party with 2 healers like anyone else. Or don't spew balance based on anecdotes when you are soloing or playing in sub optimal group setups.

Jaycub wrote:

ToXoS wrote:Sure, let me tell you how you can survive a WL burst as a SH:
You can't.

Even detaunted these bastards will hunt you down.
But that makes them easy to bait. No WL can resist the appeal of a free kill on a gobbo.

Be sure to have a WE friend for this kind of trap.

It works everytime

Or you could just play in a party with 2 healers like anyone else. Or don't spew balance based on anecdotes when you are soloing or playing in sub optimal group setups.

Like anyone else, except solo roamers. And a lot of them are WLs.
I haven't said anything about balance here.
Do I solo roam with my SH? Sure, I like the thrill of being alone and ambushing things on my own.
Being killed by a WL when I play solo is something I consider normal. It's like a food chain.

There are a number of things you can do as a shaman;
If solo:
1) pounce has a 10 second cool down now, use that to your advantage, you have a 10 second window.
2) WL suffer from AP issues with their rotation, drop the AP drain on them as the first few things you do.
3) you have runaway, instant cast hots and multiple de taunts, drop your puddle behind you and you flee through it, thus once the short duration snare from the WL is over you will maximise the snare time on WL while you are speed increased.
4) invest some points in futile strikes, crit chance has been toned down through gear, 15 renown points will drop your crit chance y 8% which will have a big impact.
5) get double pots, the vendor ones from medallions or emblems combined with the crafted 1500 or crit pots.

If not solo: grab some buddies and gg

I think Sham has sufficient kiting tools at it's disposal.

I think one of the things that should be avoided on the server are the the stacking speed procs from live.

110% speed goblins where just plain silliness.

The fact is, almost nothing can survive a WL burst attack. Period. I've built up multiple toons to 40, geared them up quite nicely, and none of them can withstand the burst. I built a shaman specifically to survive burst with toughness, DSU stacked up, all of the evade tactics, all renown into avoidance. Toughness with DSU close to 600 and I know all of the defense/survival rotations for Sham (also a RR70 Sham in live) Guess what? WL can burst me down before I can get 2 casts off in most cases. My 40 SH with some pretty nice gear is WAY WORSE off against a WL, and essentially can't survive even with a full run and gun build. That pet still hits for 500HP, snares you and all it takes is a couple of 1000dmg+ hits from the WL and you are long gone.

The idea that we need to build all of our toons specifically to counter a single overpowered toon seems a bit ridiculous. To be honest, WL has driven me from the game and I am playing less and less as time goes on as a result. I love that the game is back and what these guys have done with it but this WL stuff is over the top. Logging into the guild I am in it's nightly 'WL this, WL that' talk, even that gets boring to hear.

Y would a ranged/heal class have a charge on demand that only melee classes should have in the 1st place

Kobra wrote:The fact is, almost nothing can survive a WL burst attack. Period. I've built up multiple toons to 40, geared them up quite nicely, and none of them can withstand the burst. I built a shaman specifically to survive burst with toughness, DSU stacked up, all of the evade tactics, all renown into avoidance. Toughness with DSU close to 600 and I know all of the defense/survival rotations for Sham (also a RR70 Sham in live) Guess what? WL can burst me down before I can get 2 casts off in most cases. My 40 SH with some pretty nice gear is WAY WORSE off against a WL, and essentially can't survive even with a full run and gun build. That pet still hits for 500HP, snares you and all it takes is a couple of 1000dmg+ hits from the WL and you are long gone.

The idea that we need to build all of our toons specifically to counter a single overpowered toon seems a bit ridiculous. To be honest, WL has driven me from the game and I am playing less and less as time goes on as a result. I love that the game is back and what these guys have done with it but this WL stuff is over the top. Logging into the guild I am in it's nightly 'WL this, WL that' talk, even that gets boring to hear.

Weird I've seen morf stand up after 3 of them try to kill him. Also if you mentioned 1k hits that would indicate you aren't detaunting said lion.

There is also flee + double ap pots. I say nerf that speedcar instead :/

Risky business.. Slowing of gobbospeed will eventually be punished by Gork or Mork or both!
At least Khorne will be be pleased by the added bloodshed that will follow.