Return of Reckoning

Valarion wrote: Wed Mar 13, 2019 9:50 pm

bloodi wrote: Wed Mar 13, 2019 8:34 pm

Valarion wrote: Wed Mar 13, 2019 8:25 pm
I'd probably care if there werent 4 classes on both sides capable of morales draining:

BW/Knight/SM/WH
BO/Dok/Marauder/Shaman

You should probably care about what each class can do and how they "drain" said morale.

I mean, Dok doesnt even drain anything, WH is entirely single target and when you hit on their back, BW/knight/BO are m4s, SM only aoe ability in hoeth can be used every 3 gcds, i dont even remember the shaman drain, they have a pump though, etc.

Is easy to just count the tooltips that say morale in them and pretend its balanced but just reading what each classes do and how they can drain it will actually tell you how wrong you are.

Nice try, but here is the definitive chart:



Marauder is the only class with a distinct advantage here.

Brain Bursta isn't draining morale anymore.

TenTonHammer wrote: Wed Mar 13, 2019 10:21 pm

bloodi wrote: Wed Mar 13, 2019 8:34 pm WH is entirely single target and when you hit on their back

Dragon gun?

that tactic have no point with position requirement, you are basically forced to hide and solo aoe dps from behind enemy line aka a suicide......im in favor to fix it, like from ages... and make dragon gun an aoe KD aswell instead....i will definetly bring wh into a wb then...and it would be also THAT cool....

The classes are not mirrored and just like life, sometimes you feel like you are at a huge disadvantage - because you are.

Take for example the Zealot M1, Tzeentch's Talon. It's the best-in-game M1 for group utility of any healer on either side. With game leading 1320 Armor debuff, a 504 resistance debuff, a 15 second duration, and a 100 foot range, it's a massive edge for focusing down a single target priority enemy. And yet, it remains untouched and unmatched.

Snuck into the patch notes a while back and no one cared because muh KD immunity spam, but really, if you're in pug blob warband play, erryone has immunities anyway.

Slap this guy with a WW Swordmaster and suck in a net 3600 morale change at max targets every 5s.

Weird to see a post like this while order is consistently draining destros morale with knights M4 making fort sieges near impossible to defend with no counter morale.

Luuca wrote: Thu Mar 14, 2019 2:14 am The classes are not mirrored and just like life, sometimes you feel like you are at a huge disadvantage - because you are.

Take for example the Zealot M1, Tzeentch's Talon. It's the best-in-game M1 for group utility of any healer on either side. With game leading 1320 Armor debuff, a 504 resistance debuff, a 15 second duration, and a 100 foot range, it's a massive edge for focusing down a single target priority enemy. And yet, it remains untouched and unmatched.

Bg/ borc/ mara can reduce armor too. 100ft range ? How many rpdps classea destro have ? ONE and sqig too can reduce armor. Reduce resistance ? Sorc have tac for this, magus have pet. So Luuca find other too op skill/morale on destro side

Luuca wrote: Thu Mar 14, 2019 2:14 am The classes are not mirrored and just like life, sometimes you feel like you are at a huge disadvantage - because you are.

Take for example the Zealot M1, Tzeentch's Talon. It's the best-in-game M1 for group utility of any healer on either side. With game leading 1320 Armor debuff, a 504 resistance debuff, a 15 second duration, and a 100 foot range, it's a massive edge for focusing down a single target priority enemy. And yet, it remains untouched and unmatched.

Bg/ borc/ mara can reduce armor too. 100ft range ? How many rpdps classea destro have ? ONE and sqig too can reduce armor. Reduce resistance ? Sorc have tac for this, magus have pet. So Luuca find other too op skill/morale on destro side

wachlarz wrote: Thu Mar 14, 2019 6:51 am Bg/ borc/ mara can reduce armor too. 100ft range ? How many rpdps classea destro have ? ONE and sqig too can reduce armor. Reduce resistance ? Sorc have tac for this, magus have pet. So Luuca find other too op skill/morale on destro side

BG/BO/Mara/SH are all skills and thus they fully stack with the Zealot M1. That is most likely why he considers this broken or op or whatever. Technically a Zelot can also be used to triple armor debuff a target with the tactic slotted.
Looks pretty op on paper, but in reality it isn't.

There is some stuff in this game that can stack up to a ridiculous amount. On both sides.

Tesq wrote: Thu Mar 14, 2019 1:33 am

TenTonHammer wrote: Wed Mar 13, 2019 10:21 pm

bloodi wrote: Wed Mar 13, 2019 8:34 pm WH is entirely single target and when you hit on their back

Dragon gun?

that tactic have no point with position requirement, you are basically forced to hide and solo aoe dps from behind enemy line aka a suicide......im in favor to fix it, like from ages... and make dragon gun an aoe KD aswell instead....i will definetly bring wh into a wb then...and it would be also THAT cool....

I think you are confusing Dragon Gun with Pistol Whip.

I presume Dragon Gun works the same way as On Your Knees, except for the damaging part.
I don't play order but, correct me WH players if I'm wrong, from the tooltip Dragon Gun does 1 hit damage while On Your Knees, like most Witch Elf finishers, does 2x damage as a double hit.

I can only speak for On Your Knees so if it's different for Witch Hunters, my bad. On Your Knees doesn't require any positioning except, line of sight and the target needs be in 30ft range.
I don't know if the drain is single target or everyone hit by On Your Knees as I'm not on the receiving side.
Tried Yesterday evening FtHQ in combo with OYK but that did not seem to work, pity.

Panzerkasper wrote: Thu Mar 14, 2019 7:19 am There is some stuff in this game that can stack up to a ridiculous amount. On both sides.

If you know your patch history in this game, there were some very high buff's that you could have maintained which needed to be able to be stripped somehow. Some of the stuff through mythic patch history was taken away. Some of the counter's remain.