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Re: Recent Observations

Posted: Tue May 12, 2015 11:00 pm
by Druin
Hm I found that with a little bit of farming and smart trading you can gear up rather quick

Re: Recent Observations

Posted: Tue May 12, 2015 11:13 pm
by Telen
Order are just better players

Re: Recent Observations

Posted: Wed May 13, 2015 12:05 am
by jonathanmurphy3
^ yet to see a decent Order melee premade.

Re: Recent Observations

Posted: Wed May 13, 2015 1:18 am
by Coryphaus
For the record sc's are not good indicators of populatin balance if a 100 people from both factions were quing an sc will pick a random 10-13 people out of the pool of 100, your teams composition for that sc will be compleatly random I think rvr events are better indicators of balance where I feel destro is better due to them have a better mix of tanks, mdps, healers vs ordo who is primarily 80-85% nothing but rdps and healers
Telen wrote:Order are just better players
Standing like cowards using nothing but rdps and then spamming their AoE roots and running away hardly impresses me
Druin wrote:Hm I found that with a little bit of farming and smart trading you can gear up rather quick
Ha! This is amusing I don't think you realize just how difficult it is for many new players here now and further more farming is nothing more than an exercise in tediousness and boredom while you waste what time you have to play trying to get lucky with drops from an item database that is confirmed by the devs to be broken and then what trade it all away and hope you get lucky just so that you can get gear to even be able to compete with the many lvl 12s with +10-12 ring and best armor for each slot and lover cloaks? With some classes having lower drop rates than others so its hardly a level playing field
jonathanmurphy3 wrote:^ yet to see a decent Order melee premade.
Most ordo players have never heard of melee; for, many poor ordo players as far as they know, the only classes that ordo has to play are bw, sw, engie, am, rp and wp

Re: Recent Observations

Posted: Wed May 13, 2015 1:53 am
by Gerv
From Australia, I find the SC's pretty even, though maybe they hang on the order side, in my experience, people too often join late and the battle is almost over. But once you learn to detaunt, position and assist, well the gear issue is not too bad I have found. Not that I do these things well, but it helps.

Re: Recent Observations

Posted: Wed May 13, 2015 3:28 am
by Coryphaus
Gerv wrote:From Australia, I find the SC's pretty even, though maybe they hang on the order side, in my experience, people too often join late and the battle is almost over. But once you learn to detaunt, position and assist, well the gear issue is not too bad I have found. Not that I do these things well, but it helps.
You obviously don't play choppa or blackguard then if. You feel the gear issue isn't that bad and it's not that people are joining late its that the sc's player balancer thing is broken

Re: Recent Observations

Posted: Wed May 13, 2015 4:50 am
by Lindisfarne
player cap is needed in sc's. hopefully that'll come with the next update

Re: Recent Observations

Posted: Wed May 13, 2015 5:29 am
by amputationsaw
Coryphaus wrote:
Telen wrote:Order are just better players
Standing like cowards using nothing but rdps and then spamming their AoE roots and running away hardly impresses me
jonathanmurphy3 wrote:^ yet to see a decent Order melee premade.
Most ordo players have never heard of melee; for, many poor ordo players as far as they know, the only classes that ordo has to play are bw, sw, engie, am, rp and wp
and I'm very impresses of destro that they are exploiting the root as well. You seem to really know something about order. As a mostly playing ordo mdps, the enemy side just feels like this : bigass tankwall with massive shamans, zealots and sorcs in the back with no chance to reach them.

And when that no appears, then a ridiculously huge meleetrain, where the only thing to do as a ordo mdps is to laid back and watch the mess going.
indeed we ha e too much rdps and it won't be better because every single ordo thinks "why should I go melee when I get instant focused down? Better stay back and shoot from distance."

As ordo got a ridiculous amount of rdps, destro got this as tanks/heals. (as I'm playing like over 7 months now, destro got for sure more healers than ordo will ever have)

Re: Recent Observations

Posted: Wed May 13, 2015 6:37 am
by tazdingo
amputationsaw wrote:
Coryphaus wrote:
Telen wrote:Order are just better players
Standing like cowards using nothing but rdps and then spamming their AoE roots and running away hardly impresses me
jonathanmurphy3 wrote:^ yet to see a decent Order melee premade.
Most ordo players have never heard of melee; for, many poor ordo players as far as they know, the only classes that ordo has to play are bw, sw, engie, am, rp and wp
and I'm very impresses of destro that they are exploiting the root as well. You seem to really know something about order. As a mostly playing ordo mdps, the enemy side just feels like this : bigass tankwall with massive shamans, zealots and sorcs in the back with no chance to reach them.

And when that no appears, then a ridiculously huge meleetrain, where the only thing to do as a ordo mdps is to laid back and watch the mess going.
indeed we ha e too much rdps and it won't be better because every single ordo thinks "why should I go melee when I get instant focused down? Better stay back and shoot from distance."

As ordo got a ridiculous amount of rdps, destro got this as tanks/heals. (as I'm playing like over 7 months now, destro got for sure more healers than ordo will ever have)
shammies aren't healers

also nobody players order melee cause they suck. dwarves are too wimpy and small and have no presence, everybody knows SM is bad, WL is broken. knight is ok but at the moment is just all round less fun, less awesome looking than chosen, and with no off tank support because stupid dwarves it's just annoying to play

make IBs and slayers bigger, they might appeal to new players more as melee classes. if you look around pve and warcamp areas you'll see loads of dwarven warriors twice the size of player dwarves

DPS WP can be done at a stretch but right now is suicide because of lack of other melee support

Re: Recent Observations

Posted: Wed May 13, 2015 7:36 am
by amputationsaw
Or make destro characters less attractive...

and because dwarfs are so tiny, the shame for orks I beat to the ground must be bigger than usual ;)

Srsly, the more this server grows the more ordo melees will come, hopefully. I saw this kinda problem much less on retail servers