Return of Reckoning

Mordd wrote: ↑Wed Jan 06, 2021 12:46 am So pounce was moved to the pet line. You have to spec 5 points into the pet line to get pounce.
Loner tactic which gives you the ability to spam pounce has one requirement. you can not have a pet up.
So if you want to use loner and use the spammable pounce, You have to spec into a line that you are explicitly forbidden to use.

Not only has the range been made almost useless. The WL has to waste 5 points into a line he cant even use to get it.

Your first flaw in your thought is guardian is a utility tree. Its a pet tree, which is forbiden use for loner spec and full pounce use.

There is no flaw in my logic. I used the description of the Guardian tree to form this. Also, you don't seem to comprehend my post, as your response isn't appropriate to what I've explained.

Mordd wrote: ↑Wed Jan 06, 2021 12:46 am So pounce was moved to the pet line. You have to spec 5 points into the pet line to get pounce.
Loner tactic which gives you the ability to spam pounce has one requirement. you can not have a pet up.
So if you want to use loner and use the spammable pounce, You have to spec into a line that you are explicitly forbidden to use.

Not only has the range been made almost useless. The WL has to waste 5 points into a line he cant even use to get it.

Your first flaw in your thought is guardian is a utility tree. Its a pet tree, which is forbiden use for loner spec and full pounce use.

I think it's good point.
maybe time to look Loner tactic.
does anyone use Revenge tactic ?
if pet dies you get dmg buff.

Loner should allow pet summoning.
it's pet downtime compensation.
plus with Revenge you concentrate dmg on pet downtime.
could be possible for big aoe.

not sure why loner + revenge blocked.

Arendollus wrote: ↑Wed Jan 06, 2021 2:23 am

Mordd wrote: ↑Wed Jan 06, 2021 12:46 am So pounce was moved to the pet line. You have to spec 5 points into the pet line to get pounce.
Loner tactic which gives you the ability to spam pounce has one requirement. you can not have a pet up.
So if you want to use loner and use the spammable pounce, You have to spec into a line that you are explicitly forbidden to use.

Not only has the range been made almost useless. The WL has to waste 5 points into a line he cant even use to get it.

Your first flaw in your thought is guardian is a utility tree. Its a pet tree, which is forbidden use for loner spec and full pounce use.

There is no flaw in my logic. I used the description of the Guardian tree to form this. Also, you don't seem to comprehend my post, as your response isn't appropriate to what I've explained.

description of the guardian tree from the training window.
"A mastery path focused on assisting and supporting your pet while he deals damage."
As i said you start from fallacy on the guardian line to begin with.

You, your self point out how pounce in guardian is creating an identity problem with loner tactic and then go on to just ignore the issue. Echoing roar does fit in the aoe line, but that is not the identity of the class. While pounce was the classes main defining ability and the tactic that lets you use it to its fullest forbids you from the line that it is in. As I pointed out and it makes no sense at all.

anarchypark wrote: ↑Wed Jan 06, 2021 2:45 am ...
Loner should allow pet summoning.
it's pet downtime compensation.
plus with Revenge you concentrate dmg on pet downtime.
could be possible for big aoe.

not sure why loner + revenge blocked.

Hi, I (Lion Player) think this would be a little bit too much. I would borrow destro my axe to slaughter that big cat (and I love my big cat!).

anarchypark wrote: ↑Tue Jan 05, 2021 2:44 am
pounce can be used for pet saving?
send pet first then pounce.
If there's pet guard skill again.

LMAO i laughed so hard at this, imagine white lions sending in their pet in a rvr situation and then when the pet is low they pounce to suicide with the pet LOL.

All issues I had with White lion was having nearly all needed stuff in a single tree: pounce, armor debuff, AOE tactic, AOE channel. It was like giving marauder AOE knockdown and AOE channel in to savagery tree

Sponn wrote: ↑Wed Jan 06, 2021 9:32 am

anarchypark wrote: ↑Tue Jan 05, 2021 2:44 am
pounce can be used for pet saving?
send pet first then pounce.
If there's pet guard skill again.

LMAO i laughed so hard at this, imagine white lions sending in their pet in a rvr situation and then when the pet is low they pounce to suicide with the pet LOL.

or both get healed with new pet heal.
or send pet first to die then pounce to revenge.
your scenario is also possible.
It'll distinguish player skill.

Wdova wrote: ↑Wed Jan 06, 2021 12:21 pm All issues I had with White lion was having nearly all needed stuff in a single tree: pounce, armor debuff, AOE tactic, AOE channel. It was like giving marauder AOE knockdown and AOE channel in to savagery tree

Having everything in one tree is a problem for WL tho, even now trees are messed and hunter is strange mix of totally ST and totally AOE abilities, both mastery and core.

I never played wl before. But these three build seem really OP. I think only problem is pet control because when pets died there is nothing to do

KD/ armor db/ pounce
https://builder.returnofreckoning.com/c ... ,4265,4278

pounce/armor db/heal db/25%damage/ finisher
https://builder.returnofreckoning.com/c ... ,4265,4287

Aoe/pounce/ armor debuff/ finisher/ 25%damage
https://builder.returnofreckoning.com/c ... ,4265,4278

wildwindblows wrote: ↑Wed Jan 06, 2021 3:00 pm I never played wl before. But these three build seem really OP. I think only problem is pet control because when pets died there is nothing to do

KD/ armor db/ pounce
https://builder.returnofreckoning.com/c ... ,4265,4278

pounce/armor db/heal db/25%damage/ finisher
https://builder.returnofreckoning.com/c ... ,4265,4287

Aoe/pounce/ armor debuff/ finisher/ 25%damage
https://builder.returnofreckoning.com/c ... ,4265,4278

On paper many classes seem good/balanced
Also, how they seem OP? WL was not overperforming in anything, like, at all.
Only thing WL was good was killing not guarded rdps roaming around, but recent pounce nerf even took that away.