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Re: WP 2h or chosen 2h? (video)
Posted: Wed Jan 13, 2021 3:30 am
by Rydiak
Transferred Focus shouldn't work on lifetaps. If it does then it is a bug. I'll look into it.
Re: WP 2h or chosen 2h? (video)
Posted: Wed Jan 13, 2021 3:42 am
by Sinisterror
yoluigi wrote: ↑Wed Jan 13, 2021 3:27 am
Rydiak wrote: ↑Wed Jan 13, 2021 3:19 am
Sinisterror wrote: ↑Wed Jan 13, 2021 3:16 am
: D Yeah just add shield/block to the class and make it heal 2k per divine strike is better=)
And do minimal damage, right? Unless you think that 350 damage every GCD is pushing big damage. The fact is you can't have 1 spec that does it all at the same time.
I well i dont wanna be op i just wanna perform in something. (lol) The guilty soul was "okay" when people had invader and bloodlord as max gear now with sov all changed.
Missing a lot of strike-through can't proc the wrath abilities and our economy of ressource is horrible.
It all come to this
Why does WP 2h perform poorly or average?
1.Don't aoe dps better than other aoe melee class.
2. It's not better single target than melee class (WL,WH etc)
3.don't have the mobility as other dps class.
4. Not as good for solo roaming as other hybrid class (shamans, Archmage, Dok dps) and no ap drain
5.Not alot utility for groups (aura tactic can be acquired as healer wp)
Comparing Dok DPS (why dps Dok perform better than Wp 2h)
-They have better Resource management ( ap drain Pillage essence,) meaning more abilities can be use, so more dps and survivability in the long run.
-They have 10% passive parry buff (dual wield) With -10% parry debuff help a lot on strike-through.(warding strike) ( more single target dps efficient also help team dps the target)
-Better tap heal builds Transferred focus 20% more HEALS on crit for 10 seconds.(with Empowered Transfer extremely tanky)
-More tanky overall (obove statement) With more tactics option. (not stuck with the same 4 tactics)
-Better utility aura having something that give slow 20% is very good when chasing a group running for only 25 less dmg.
-They have better build for duo's (give action points to the defensive target, better debuff on enemies)
Basically there is nothing a wp dps does better than a dps dok. Or am i wrong? The best solution would be to atleast have a free tactic.
I dont think transfered focus works on melee heals. But my main live was dps wp and i really want the class to shine. I wanted judgement to snare when using 2h (not using rf but ap) i wanted double dmg for prayer of righteousness. I wanted 20 % more AA dmg on guilty soul and it working as a heal like it used to. I wanted weight of guilt to be aoe snare without tactic when using 2h. I wanted Sigmars Shield to do same amount of dmg per heal and getting 5 rf per dmg tick. And many many other things. And i agree with you about everything you say here.
Re: WP 2h or chosen 2h? (video)
Posted: Wed Jan 13, 2021 3:46 am
by detrap
Really bad video to show examples of class comparisons between the two. You could do a video comparing most classes to chosens and show how weak those classes are in 1v1 fights. Chosens can actually 1v2,3...
Put any mdps class or a Sh against a reflect damage spec'd knight and it will look like those classes are all weak and need a buff.
Re: WP 2h or chosen 2h? (video)
Posted: Wed Jan 13, 2021 3:57 am
by yoluigi
detrap wrote: ↑Wed Jan 13, 2021 3:46 am
Really bad video to show examples of class comparisons between the two. You could do a video comparing most classes to chosens and show how weak those classes are in 1v1 fights. Chosens can actually 1v2,3...
Put any mdps class or a Sh against a reflect damage spec'd knight and it will look like those classes are all weak and need a buff.
I got a knight and they nerf that reflect spec. It was very good few years ago if you see "Second" videos.
Re: WP 2h or chosen 2h? (video)
Posted: Wed Jan 13, 2021 4:18 am
by detrap
yoluigi wrote: ↑Wed Jan 13, 2021 3:57 am
detrap wrote: ↑Wed Jan 13, 2021 3:46 am
Really bad video to show examples of class comparisons between the two. You could do a video comparing most classes to chosens and show how weak those classes are in 1v1 fights. Chosens can actually 1v2,3...
Put any mdps class or a Sh against a reflect damage spec'd knight and it will look like those classes are all weak and need a buff.
I got a knight and they nerf that reflect spec. It was very good few years ago if you see "Second" videos.
If you are talking about OYG, it wasn't nerfed, it was fixed. Reflect build is still great, it just gets a bit tedious when there's more than two mdps.
Also it's hard for any melee class to solo another half decent player with detaunt and cc.
Re: WP 2h or chosen 2h? (video)
Posted: Wed Jan 13, 2021 4:30 am
by jonspidy
detrap wrote: ↑Wed Jan 13, 2021 4:18 am
yoluigi wrote: ↑Wed Jan 13, 2021 3:57 am
detrap wrote: ↑Wed Jan 13, 2021 3:46 am
Really bad video to show examples of class comparisons between the two. You could do a video comparing most classes to chosens and show how weak those classes are in 1v1 fights. Chosens can actually 1v2,3...
Put any mdps class or a Sh against a reflect damage spec'd knight and it will look like those classes are all weak and need a buff.
I got a knight and they nerf that reflect spec. It was very good few years ago if you see "Second" videos.
If you are talking about OYG, it wasn't nerfed, it was fixed. Reflect build is still great, it just gets a bit tedious when there's more than two mdps.
Also it's hard for any melee class to solo another half decent player with detaunt and cc.
Wasn't shield of the sun also nerfed so that it only reflected melee dmg?
Re: WP 2h or chosen 2h? (video)
Posted: Wed Jan 13, 2021 4:38 am
by Bloodmasked
Rydiak wrote: ↑Wed Jan 13, 2021 3:30 am
Transferred Focus shouldn't work on lifetaps. If it does then it is a bug. I'll look into it.
I have tested it myself. I have RR84 DOK. It doesn't work on lifetaps.
Re: WP 2h or chosen 2h? (video)
Posted: Wed Jan 13, 2021 4:53 am
by detrap
jonspidy wrote: ↑Wed Jan 13, 2021 4:30 am
detrap wrote: ↑Wed Jan 13, 2021 4:18 am
yoluigi wrote: ↑Wed Jan 13, 2021 3:57 am
I got a knight and they nerf that reflect spec. It was very good few years ago if you see "Second" videos.
If you are talking about OYG, it wasn't nerfed, it was fixed. Reflect build is still great, it just gets a bit tedious when there's more than two mdps.
Also it's hard for any melee class to solo another half decent player with detaunt and cc.
Wasn't shield of the sun also nerfed so that it only reflected melee dmg?
No it wasn't, and it's buffed by the sunfury tactic if you have space to slot it.
Re: WP 2h or chosen 2h? (video)
Posted: Wed Jan 13, 2021 5:10 am
by Bloodmasked
Stop saying DPS dok is better its not. Too much misinformation here.
Re: WP 2h or chosen 2h? (video)
Posted: Wed Jan 13, 2021 5:31 am
by yoluigi
Bloodmasked wrote: ↑Wed Jan 13, 2021 5:10 am
Stop saying DPS dok is better its not. Too much misinformation here.
It is i just wrote it earlier. There is a reason almost nobody play's this spec. Why you think there is more dps dok and almost no dps wp. Try playing your dps dok without pillage essence and devour essence and see how it goes. That extra 10% passive parry and 10% parry strikethrought makes a big differance. But hey i wont argue with you tell me how wp dps equal to dok dps. Go level a warrior priest and go dps at end game and tell me its as good as dps dok. Warrior priest dps is like 85% salvation 13%grace 2% dps (population). I can say in the general chat what is better dps dok or dps wp 100% people will say dps dok. I dont get the point of you saying otherwise it's just a fact.