Re: Why not grace wp become more tanky as a half tank half heal?
Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2021 2:45 am
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Re: Why not grace wp become more tanky as a half tank half heal?
Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2021 3:00 am
Not one bit. You think Grace should automatically output more healing than Salvation just because it stacks strength instead of willpower? The lifetaps were tuned to be balanced, not to be overpowered.kam19080 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 2:44 amHowever, doesn't it so weird, when u wearing a shield to stack str for healing that is sightly equal to u build willpower for frontline healing?
Re: Why not grace wp become more tanky as a half tank half heal?
Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2021 7:15 am
Agree with u, when grace wp becomes more tankier, a "healing tank" maybe so op.Rydiak wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 3:00 amNot one bit. You think Grace should automatically output more healing than Salvation just because it stacks strength instead of willpower? The lifetaps were tuned to be balanced, not to be overpowered.
But it's just a problem of balance, half tank half healer doesn't make it become overpowered when we fix the healing and tanking ability of them.
Meanwhile, It will become more make sense when a guy wears a shield for more tankier instead of building str to do dps for heal...
As an AM can be a half heal half dps and full dps, why grace should become a dps based? We already hv a 2h Wrath spec for wp in doing dps.....
Re: Why not grace wp become more tanky as a half tank half heal?
Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2021 10:18 am
that's false. AM can be a healer or a dps, not both. The hybrid spec works only for soloning and can't be used neither in party or wb. when you spec hybrid, you don't deal enough damage to be a real threat and you don't heal enough to keep ppl alive.
Re: Why not grace wp become more tanky as a half tank half heal?
Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2021 1:59 pm
Grace can reach 46% block chance. If your build isn't tanky it is because you made the conscious decision for it not to be. You can't get all things all at once on a single spec, otherwise you end up with an overpowered spec.kam19080 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 7:15 amAgree with u, when grace wp becomes more tankier, a "healing tank" maybe so op.
But it's just a problem of balance, half tank half healer doesn't make it become overpowered when we fix the healing and tanking ability of them.
Meanwhile, It will become more make sense when a guy wears a shield for more tankier instead of building str to do dps for heal...
As an AM can be a half heal half dps and full dps, why grace should become a dps based? We already hv a 2h Wrath spec for wp in doing dps.....
Re: Why not grace wp become more tanky as a half tank half heal?
Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2021 3:55 pm
@RydiakRydiak wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 1:59 pmGrace can reach 46% block chance. If your build isn't tanky it is because you made the conscious decision for it not to be. You can't get all things all at once on a single spec, otherwise you end up with an overpowered spec.kam19080 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 7:15 amAgree with u, when grace wp becomes more tankier, a "healing tank" maybe so op.
But it's just a problem of balance, half tank half healer doesn't make it become overpowered when we fix the healing and tanking ability of them.
Meanwhile, It will become more make sense when a guy wears a shield for more tankier instead of building str to do dps for heal...
As an AM can be a half heal half dps and full dps, why grace should become a dps based? We already hv a 2h Wrath spec for wp in doing dps.....
Since you seem to be fielding all of the WP questions, lemme hijack the thread for a min....
Related to tankiness:
1) Why is the WP shield only 1/6th that of a tanks shield? 50 instead of 300. I can understand that the Tank shield is bigger but would something like 150-200 be more appropriate?
2) Why does our armor prayer not stack with the armor pot? Literally EVERYONE runs armor pots (which I truly find stupid) making this prayer literally worthless. It either needs to stack or that prayer needs to change to something useful
3) How does a Salv. WP escape from being hunted down? I ask because I get KD and then dead in 3 secs. I don't feel very tanky but yet a Shammy can escape most of the time using their bag of tricks.
Re: Why not grace wp become more tanky as a half tank half heal?
Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2021 5:25 pm
1. When creating the shields for Grace/Sacrifice, the devs decided that they wanted a very low block rating on them and for the class to gain its block value from renown points and other sources of % block. Basically a "if you want to be tanky you have to build for it, not just wear a single gear item (shield)".PlagueMonk wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 3:55 pm@RydiakRydiak wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 1:59 pmGrace can reach 46% block chance. If your build isn't tanky it is because you made the conscious decision for it not to be. You can't get all things all at once on a single spec, otherwise you end up with an overpowered spec.kam19080 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 7:15 am
Agree with u, when grace wp becomes more tankier, a "healing tank" maybe so op.
But it's just a problem of balance, half tank half healer doesn't make it become overpowered when we fix the healing and tanking ability of them.
Meanwhile, It will become more make sense when a guy wears a shield for more tankier instead of building str to do dps for heal...
As an AM can be a half heal half dps and full dps, why grace should become a dps based? We already hv a 2h Wrath spec for wp in doing dps.....
Since you seem to be fielding all of the WP questions, lemme hijack the thread for a min....
Related to tankiness:
1) Why is the WP shield only 1/6th that of a tanks shield? 50 instead of 300. I can understand that the Tank shield is bigger but would something like 150-200 be more appropriate?
2) Why does our armor prayer not stack with the armor pot? Literally EVERYONE runs armor pots (which I truly find stupid) making this prayer literally worthless. It either needs to stack or that prayer needs to change to something useful
3) How does a Salv. WP escape from being hunted down? I ask because I get KD and then dead in 3 secs. I don't feel very tanky but yet a Shammy can escape most of the time using their bag of tricks.
2. Gotta ask Mythic. I didn't design Warrior Priest.
3. I don't play Salvation, but the go-to defenses seem to be Divine Warding and Intimidating Repent.
Re: Why not grace wp become more tanky as a half tank half heal?
Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2021 6:05 pm
if WP gets a shield tankyness buff DoKs has to get something similar. shamans and AMs equally can have easy times escaping most things, cant compare a career mirror pair and complain that your career mirror pair doesn't have the same thing, thats kind of like saying why cant my Knight also have Oath Friend as well.PlagueMonk wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 3:55 pm
@Rydiak
Since you seem to be fielding all of the WP questions, lemme hijack the thread for a min....
Related to tankiness:
1) Why is the WP shield only 1/6th that of a tanks shield? 50 instead of 300. I can understand that the Tank shield is bigger but would something like 150-200 be more appropriate?
2) Why does our armor prayer not stack with the armor pot? Literally EVERYONE runs armor pots (which I truly find stupid) making this prayer literally worthless. It either needs to stack or that prayer needs to change to something useful
3) How does a Salv. WP escape from being hunted down? I ask because I get KD and then dead in 3 secs. I don't feel very tanky but yet a Shammy can escape most of the time using their bag of tricks.
Re: Why not grace wp become more tanky as a half tank half heal?
Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2021 7:31 pm
Yes, it's a similarly worthless ability on Dest. side as well. If they are not going to ever stack, wouldn't it be nice if BOTH classes had a useful ability?space44 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 6:05 pmif WP gets a shield tankyness buff DoKs has to get something similar. shamans and AMs equally can have easy times escaping most things, cant compare a career mirror pair and complain that your career mirror pair doesn't have the same thing, thats kind of like saying why cant my Knight also have Oath Friend as well.PlagueMonk wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 3:55 pm
@Rydiak
Since you seem to be fielding all of the WP questions, lemme hijack the thread for a min....
Related to tankiness:
1) Why is the WP shield only 1/6th that of a tanks shield? 50 instead of 300. I can understand that the Tank shield is bigger but would something like 150-200 be more appropriate?
2) Why does our armor prayer not stack with the armor pot? Literally EVERYONE runs armor pots (which I truly find stupid) making this prayer literally worthless. It either needs to stack or that prayer needs to change to something useful
3) How does a Salv. WP escape from being hunted down? I ask because I get KD and then dead in 3 secs. I don't feel very tanky but yet a Shammy can escape most of the time using their bag of tricks.
And I sure can compare, I did it above there.
The reason why I feel I can is, as a Salv WP I am a primary healer just like a Shaman but yet they can escape 80% of the time like a slippery eel while we have jack. Not even AMs have the ability to escape as easily. You of course missed the true meaning behind my question which is really a complaint about Shammys.Re: Why not grace wp become more tanky as a half tank half heal?
Posted: Thu Jan 21, 2021 9:46 am
I agree it is kind of worthless. But technically you can use a resistance pot instead of an armor pot and then run armor prayer instead. I guess mythic thought that players would do that in a bigger extent than what actually happened.PlagueMonk wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 3:55 pm Related to tankiness:
2) Why does our armor prayer not stack with the armor pot? Literally EVERYONE runs armor pots (which I truly find stupid) making this prayer literally worthless. It either needs to stack or that prayer needs to change to something useful