Return of Reckoning

Detangler wrote: Mon May 30, 2022 7:17 am Now do you hop off the keybaord, take the quitter debuff and go be a dad, or ignore your kids so you can pew pew more internet elves and orcs?

Kids are temporary, but sovereign items are soulbound. Should be a no-brainer.

Detangler wrote: Mon May 30, 2022 7:17 am I agree somewhat with OP, but there are times when life happens and you can't help it. Maybe you're, I don't know, a dad in their early 40s and you thought you could sneak a quick scenario in while your kid are quietly playing/coloring in the other room. Lo and behold, as soon as you hit accept, they begin arguing over which crayon they could use or someone got too close to the other and it escalated to pushing.

Now do you hop off the keybaord, take the quitter debuff and go be a dad, or ignore your kids so you can pew pew more internet elves and orcs?

Not that I would know anything about that...

I don't really mean perma ban on first offense, ofc, because of things like this, just do what league, wow, or multiple other games with que systems do, league for example, afk in a match, 15min + que time for next game, then an hour, then a day, reset penalty every day, pretty easy fix, but if they hit that final penalty multiple times for example (the people i originally named) should just be perma banned because he knows he's not going to play, and grief the team (again i can't think of an mmo without this much needed system). This post was more to bring light to trying to punish people that are constantly afk.

But to answer you're question, yes if you're a dad, you know you have kids, or distractions that could take you away from the game, that you qued for to play with other people, and you afk the full 15minutes. Regardless of why you should be punished to some degree for greifing your team (intentional or not), its not your teamates fault that you had to go do something else, otherwise there's no way of tracking who is really abusing it.

billyk wrote: Mon May 30, 2022 4:34 am OP is one of those people who refuse to press yes on surrender when they're behind 58 to 440, I bet.

That's me, when people don't deserve an easy way out.

first fix the same bpremade vs same pugs problem.

Sulorie wrote: Mon May 30, 2022 10:21 am

billyk wrote: Mon May 30, 2022 4:34 am OP is one of those people who refuse to press yes on surrender when they're behind 58 to 440, I bet.

That's me, when people don't deserve an easy way out.

Doing the same, pushing no is not pride, it is punishment!

Put guards back in scenarios and ban groups in t1-t3. Right now most afking comes from getting farmed. At least guards gave you a chance to get a few kills when the team over extended. There is also a guild on the top 10 this week who seem to exclusively play t1-t3 scenarios whose kill to death ratio shows they are set up to farm the less organised/new players. Surprised any new player sticks with this going on.

ReBiff wrote: Mon May 30, 2022 9:10 am But to answer you're question, yes if you're a dad, you know you have kids, or distractions that could take you away from the game, that you qued for to play with other people, and you afk the full 15minutes. Regardless of why you should be punished to some degree for greifing your team (intentional or not), its not your teamates fault that you had to go do something else, otherwise there's no way of tracking who is really abusing it.

IIRC you cannot even be afk for full 15 mins. You get booted from the sc way earlier than that and you are being punished too, just like in other games, by getting the quitter debuff.
To be "afk" for 15 mins duration you have to be somewhat active and yes, thats what i would call griefing too. I just dont think it can be punished automatically because, as you said there is no way of tracking it. Only way is, as already mentioned by others, to report with significant evidence like video or screenshots.

this is a feature of every mmorpg nothing the devs can handle. Yeah it sucks i know but this is a player issue.

Garamore wrote: Mon May 30, 2022 10:58 am Surprised any new player sticks with this going on.

Take a look at the server pop.

Detangler wrote: Mon May 30, 2022 7:17 am I agree somewhat with OP, but there are times when life happens and you can't help it. Maybe you're, I don't know, a dad in their early 40s and you thought you could sneak a quick scenario in while your kid are quietly playing/coloring in the other room. Lo and behold, as soon as you hit accept, they begin arguing over which crayon they could use or someone got too close to the other and it escalated to pushing.

Now do you hop off the keybaord, take the quitter debuff and go be a dad, or ignore your kids so you can pew pew more internet elves and orcs?

Not that I would know anything about that...

you may add Wife or pets as you like for an even more difficult situation !