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Re: Scenario surrender change
Posted: Tue May 16, 2023 1:01 pm
by Brakh
Scottx125 wrote: ↑Tue May 16, 2023 12:38 pm
Brakh wrote: ↑Tue May 16, 2023 11:54 am
There was so many cool ideas how to improve current scenario system.
Mixed order/destro parties like it was in ranked.
Tab where people can see current number of players in queue with their roles or number of already ongoing scenarios.
These solutions were already implemented in ranked, why not to apply them to normal scenarios?
And ranked turned out well didn't it lol...
Ranked failed coz it was a sweaty chore. There is too small audience to sustain such activity on this server.
But overall scenario improvements introduced to ranked seasons were really nice.
Re: Scenario surrender change
Posted: Tue May 16, 2023 1:26 pm
by Detangler
inoeth wrote: ↑Tue May 16, 2023 6:40 am
lol it's a game man calm down
lolz i'm kidding... mostly...
Re: Scenario surrender change
Posted: Tue May 16, 2023 1:42 pm
by Zxul
Brakh wrote: ↑Tue May 16, 2023 11:54 am
Mixed order/destro parties like it was in ranked.
Comes to think of, would be interesting to implement in rvr. Now actually I really wonder what someone's reaction will be to being ganked by a party of 3 WE+3 WH.
Re: Scenario surrender change
Posted: Tue May 16, 2023 4:10 pm
by Avernus
Detangler wrote: ↑Mon May 15, 2023 10:12 pm
Only those that vote YES get reduced rewards. I'm tired of getting penalized because 2/3 of my scenario is full of cowards.
I agree, but the ones who voted YES should be allowed to stay at respawn without any penalty or autokick for afk.
Re: Scenario surrender change
Posted: Tue May 16, 2023 5:29 pm
by Everdin
normanis wrote: ↑Tue May 16, 2023 10:57 am
than noone will vote no byt sit in sc wc and wait till its finished and some griefing ppl will feed enemy with crests and rr. i think its even worse than its now.
well making event sc duo+ would be better solution. u need comunicate with ppl and in end u make normal 6 men. (u cant que event sc if solo que)
bring back guards in sc wc. those absorb shields just make things worse.
my mad idea is adding sc wc buff similar to rvr wc buff. its make basicly atleast ppl fight ( what we all whant in sc not just stand and guard mailbox)
So people who play the game and fight are griefing?
Re: Scenario surrender change
Posted: Tue May 16, 2023 8:43 pm
by Scottx125
Brakh wrote: ↑Tue May 16, 2023 1:01 pm
Scottx125 wrote: ↑Tue May 16, 2023 12:38 pm
Brakh wrote: ↑Tue May 16, 2023 11:54 am
There was so many cool ideas how to improve current scenario system.
Mixed order/destro parties like it was in ranked.
Tab where people can see current number of players in queue with their roles or number of already ongoing scenarios.
These solutions were already implemented in ranked, why not to apply them to normal scenarios?
And ranked turned out well didn't it lol...
Ranked failed coz it was a sweaty chore. There is too small audience to sustain such activity on this server.
But overall scenario improvements introduced to ranked seasons were really nice.
Wasn't because it was a "Sweaty chore". There is a large group of hard-core players who would love that. The reason it died was because of the toxic behaviour of players who played it. Essentially gatekeeping anyone they deemed to be not good enough. Also, it's no secret many people disagreed with the implementation of ranked as they felt it went against the spirit of WAR. That is not including ranked elitist content. Competitive content is fine. But ranked nope.
Re: Scenario surrender change
Posted: Sun May 21, 2023 6:51 am
by normanis
Everdin wrote: ↑Tue May 16, 2023 5:29 pm
normanis wrote: ↑Tue May 16, 2023 10:57 am
than noone will vote no byt sit in sc wc and wait till its finished and some griefing ppl will feed enemy with crests and rr. i think its even worse than its now.
well making event sc duo+ would be better solution. u need comunicate with ppl and in end u make normal 6 men. (u cant que event sc if solo que)
bring back guards in sc wc. those absorb shields just make things worse.
my mad idea is adding sc wc buff similar to rvr wc buff. its make basicly atleast ppl fight ( what we all whant in sc not just stand and guard mailbox)
So people who play the game and fight are griefing?
there is diference in sc when whole pug stay afk and 1 ''chinisehero'' still feed enemy. i call it griefing, not fighting. fight is when both sides hit each ather more or less equally. (if u dont jump into bunch of ppl just die, byt managed pick up fight at battle objective and try win sc with smart gameplay. i am up for it)
p.s i dont know is it possible byt maby need add some extra for sc. at moment u solo que for sc u dont see your future team . byt if u would know your side que 7 tanks and 4 heals? would u change to dps to balance team? its will give bigger chance to make 2/2/2 team not (here in forum was sc witneses) 4 zealots or 6 shamans in 1 que. u still cant see with what u will fight byt u have posibility atleast make 2/2/2 . just my idea
Re: Scenario surrender change
Posted: Sun May 21, 2023 7:38 am
by Skullgrin
Simplest solution would be to give the quitter debuff to anyone that votes yes. Problem solved.
Re: Scenario surrender change
Posted: Sun May 21, 2023 8:58 am
by Everdin
Skullgrin wrote: ↑Sun May 21, 2023 7:38 am
Simplest solution would be to give the quitter debuff to anyone that votes yes. Problem solved.
Then surrender would be obsolet because you could Just leave
Re: Scenario surrender change
Posted: Sun May 21, 2023 9:08 am
by Everdin
normanis wrote: ↑Sun May 21, 2023 6:51 am
Everdin wrote: ↑Tue May 16, 2023 5:29 pm
normanis wrote: ↑Tue May 16, 2023 10:57 am
than noone will vote no byt sit in sc wc and wait till its finished and some griefing ppl will feed enemy with crests and rr. i think its even worse than its now.
well making event sc duo+ would be better solution. u need comunicate with ppl and in end u make normal 6 men. (u cant que event sc if solo que)
bring back guards in sc wc. those absorb shields just make things worse.
my mad idea is adding sc wc buff similar to rvr wc buff. its make basicly atleast ppl fight ( what we all whant in sc not just stand and guard mailbox)
So people who play the game and fight are griefing?
there is diference in sc when whole pug stay afk and 1 ''chinisehero'' still feed enemy. i call it griefing, not fighting. fight is when both sides hit each ather more or less equally. (if u dont jump into bunch of ppl just die, byt managed pick up fight at battle objective and try win sc with smart gameplay. i am up for it)
p.s i dont know is it possible byt maby need add some extra for sc. at moment u solo que for sc u dont see your future team . byt if u would know your side que 7 tanks and 4 heals? would u change to dps to balance team? its will give bigger chance to make 2/2/2 team not (here in forum was sc witneses) 4 zealots or 6 shamans in 1 que. u still cant see with what u will fight byt u have posibility atleast make 2/2/2 . just my idea
People voting no for surrender have a reason for it, mostly because sc isn't lost due to mechanic, or they just are not on the "get killed" Side of your Team.
If there are not enough people voting to end a scenario, it maybe isn't that Bad.
People that surrender because they can't get an easy win or have to change their playstyle a bit to fit what ist needed are far closer to griefing.