Return of Reckoning

I do like the idea of rewarding those loyal instead of punishing those swapping.
But this system would be bypassable by having one order account and one destro account.

Scottx125 wrote: Tue Jul 18, 2023 12:26 pm

Phantasm wrote: Tue Jul 18, 2023 11:33 am

Toshutkidup wrote: Tue Jul 18, 2023 10:20 am How would it handle faction loyalty if ur swapping factions to underpopulated side?

Well, those who xrealm to underdog faction know exaclty why they do it and have a resources to utilise AAO - balanced parties, members playing already at decent level etc. For those nothing would change.

Yes it would. The AAO chasers would have negative influence on the opposite faction and my guess is they'd have to work against the influence they'd earned on one side. That's a terrible system. Influence should be faction locked. Everything else I'm fine with.

This won't achieve what the OP wants imo. The purpose of this is to deincentivise xrealming. But we need xrealming for balanced fights. Now it's rare that it happens because people naturally take the path of least resistance. The only way for a low pop server to handle imbalance is to artificially weaken the more populated and skilled (based on lvl and MMR) side

The idea is to give incentive to stay a week on one faction and dont hop on other for easy rewards. If people are chasing aao they wont benefit from loyality, as they arent loyal to one faction so there is no loss for them. AAO have extra crest drop so there also no loss of crests for them. They just keep doing what they do. As always.

People are still blaming xrealming instead of accepting their own failures? It really explains how there are players rr80+ that don't know how to play

wonshot wrote: Tue Jul 18, 2023 12:36 pm I do like the idea of rewarding those loyal instead of punishing those swapping.
But this system would be bypassable by having one order account and one destro account.

Tbh there is no possible to lock IPs so any solution can be bypassed by double account people. Suggestion is to boost those who ARE loyal to one faction, so they can have better incentive to stay.
Question is how many really double account people are there, I guess only gamemasters knows. But i got a feeling only a handful people had enough time and dedication to create those.

Evilspinnre wrote: Tue Jul 18, 2023 1:17 pm People are still blaming xrealming instead of accepting their own failures? It really explains how there are players rr80+ that don't know how to play

This is not another thread to blame xrealmers for all. but to make something useful for those who DONT.

Why does this need to be a thing? In all my time on the server I have not met a single person that openly admits to xrealming to the "winning" side.

I think the issue is more about pug wbs going against organized warbands.

So in the end, a skill issue.

Phantasm wrote: Tue Jul 18, 2023 1:18 pm
This is not another thread to blame xrealmers for all. but to make something useful for those who DONT.

Yes, because those that stick with one side even if it outnumbers the other 5:1 and is pvd'ing zones should be rewarded to stop them from logging off in boredom.

Actually, I really like the idea the OP suggests. I would take it step farther and after completing the loyalty tracker say 8-12 weeks in a row (2-3 months) receive a title the Loyalest or something like that. Nothing fantastic sure, but for those that play one side its nothing but a "thank you" in the long run. every 3 months could be some minor reward.

There is no way to stop xrealming, have it like those of us that aao hunt, dabbling both sides because alt-holics, or whatever the reason players xrealm. I see no reason to reward for those that are loyal to one faction at all.

Can it be abused for instance, having 2 accounts? sure, but really, imo if players work the system to their benefit, they will continue to do what they do and nothing will change.

All in all, I like the idea, I see nothing wrong in rewarding players faction pride.

Very nice idea. I really love it

First, I appreciate a (mostly) carrot suggestion instead of going immediately for the stick. Rewards tend to be better than punishments.

That said, the most common "xrealm" behavior I see people complain about is an alliance WB pushes a side to a fort then switches over to farm said fort i.e. they hop from their RR70+ toons on one side to their RR70+ toons on the other side. This system would do nothing to discourage that because they still get the farm and they can continue to hop back on their original side and collect loyalty rewards once the zone is reset back to mid.

And, ironically, this is ostensibly a "good" xrealm because it is balancing out the sides since folks were mostly riding the coat tails of the alliance WB in pushing the zones to the forts in the first place. People get bent out of shape because the "natural" progression of the zone to completion was disrupted by folks crossing over to the undermanned side and creating the "fair" (numerically) fight everyone says they want.

All this is to say, you really need to better define which "loyalty" behaviors you are trying to encourage or discourage and target that. Too much loyalty to one side leads to steamroll servers where one side dominates forever.

IF you discourage people from swapping sides. We're gonna have situations where we start seeing 60-40 pop balance or worse on a daily basis. Yes, it sucks when one side swaps to another after they push a keep and then decide to push it back. I don't know how many times this needs to be said or drummed into people.

Xrealming in general isn't the problem. It never has been. It's vital to the gameplay and balance of the server. What IS the problem is people Xrealming to the more populated/better geared/organised side to get easy wins. <- Solve this problem and nothing else.