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Re: 3 bags drop from keep lord
Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2015 1:36 pm
by Foltestik
drmordread wrote:And once the other zones (elf and dwarf) are added we can all go back to avoiding combat in the lakes and attack empty zones for keep bags???
i belive there will be no elf and dwarf zones (it will be only split that action and carebears will leave to empty zones) better focus to empire T3
Re: 3 bags drop from keep lord
Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2015 1:55 pm
by Tiggo
rvr is not only about killing though. its about going after objectives together.
rewards must be balanced so defending an objective is as rewarding as taking one, then it will play out for itself.
i like the idea of rewards taged to the number of defenders/attackers in a ratio or something like that. the heavier the fighting the more rewards should it give for attacking and defending.
on the other hand: Shouldnt a clever campaign with luring the defenders to one point and then attacking a non defended other point on the battlefield be rewarded too?
then someday we will get locking of tiers too. another interesting balance act incoming.
Re: 3 bags drop from keep lord
Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2015 2:12 pm
by Penril
Tiggo wrote:.
rewards must be balanced so defending an objective is as rewarding as taking one, then it will play out for itself.
Why? Taking a (defended) keep is much harder than defending it.
Re: 3 bags drop from keep lord
Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2015 2:21 pm
by Elratie
Why? Taking a (defended) keep is much harder than defending it.
cuz you can see it as real life then, never heard of an Castle lord who said i will give them my Keep so they dont have an afford......
or a sieged city who dosen´t fight back and is really hard to get it like Carthage or Troy
Re: 3 bags drop from keep lord
Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2015 2:25 pm
by Penril
Elratie wrote:Why? Taking a (defended) keep is much harder than defending it.
cuz you can see it as real life then, never heard of an Castle lord who said i will give them my Keep so they dont have an afford......
or a sieged city who dosen´t fight back and is really hard to get it like Carthage or Troy
This is not real life, this is a video game and currently defending a keep is much easier than attacking a defended keep.
If both rewards are the same, people will just sit at their respective keeps waiting for the other side to attack. If you want people to attack each other, then the rewards for taking the enemy keep should be much better.
I like the current d-ticks. It is ok to gain renown from a keep defense. But if you want bags, go take the enemy keep.
Re: 3 bags drop from keep lord
Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2015 2:31 pm
by Bozzax
Tiggo wrote:
i like the idea of rewards taged to the number of defenders/attackers in a ratio or something like that. the heavier the fighting the more rewards should it give for attacking and defending.
Drops from kills scale with number and both attackers and defenders. If you defend well you get more rewards and if you are successful in killing the defenders you are also rewarded
Tiggo wrote:
on the other hand: Shouldnt a clever campaign with luring the defenders to one point and then attacking a non defended other point on the battlefield be rewarded too?
You get renown possibly a keep to defend and the warm feeling that comes from messing up their plan
Re: 3 bags drop from keep lord
Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2015 2:33 pm
by Bozzax
Penril wrote:
I like the current d-ticks. It is ok to gain renown from a keep defense. But if you want bags, go take the enemy keep.
All will join the zerg and make it even more zergy as we have no account realm timer. Guessing ppl will start xrealming for bags if they are added
Re: 3 bags drop from keep lord
Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2015 2:34 pm
by Tiggo
well 20 years of mmo experience shows: people dont do anything for warm feelings in a mmo

Re: 3 bags drop from keep lord
Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2015 2:39 pm
by Bozzax
Well you get a bit of inf and renown as well if you aren't satisfied

Re: 3 bags drop from keep lord
Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2015 2:43 pm
by Penril
Bozzax wrote:Penril wrote:
I like the current d-ticks. It is ok to gain renown from a keep defense. But if you want bags, go take the enemy keep.
All will join the zerg and make it even more zergy as we have no account realm timer. Guessing ppl will start xrealming for bags if they are added
You have no idea how RoR works. While maybe bad players will do this, i constantly see the best players in the server switching to the underdog trying to balance the game and making it fun for both sides.
Fact: The best players will always prefer fighting the zerg instead of joining it.