Return of Reckoning

I liked the video, but it makes the current flaws of the aoe meta spam blob very apparent. I would not consider it a very engaging playstyle. Maybe it would be a bit more spicy if there were some real aoe rotations for more mdps classes.

cleave cleave cleave, coordinate channel, cleave cleave, M2, cleave.

White Lion AOE Spec is fun to play. But God forbid anyone be allowed to have any fun around here, so yeah, nerf it into oblivion now.

Martok wrote: ↑Mon Jun 02, 2025 4:17 pm White Lion AOE Spec is fun to play. But God forbid anyone be allowed to have any fun around here. So yeah, nerf it into oblivion now.

Of course it's fun, that's why there are a ton of them in the Lakes. I honestly wouldn't have much of a problem with em if they didn't get one of the only 360 degree AoE channels, as well as a 10% heal debuff weapon that procs on aoe.

Martok wrote: ↑Mon Jun 02, 2025 4:17 pm White Lion AOE Spec is fun to play. But God forbid anyone be allowed to have any fun around here, so yeah, nerf it into oblivion now.

Wl is super fun. No need to twist my words.

Not to bring this up and hijack.. but destro begged for years for SL nerf. Some people say they got the SL nerf .. but now WL run rampant..

But keep it up I say,the forum tears are always a nice read at night when I'm falling asleep.

leondre25 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 02, 2025 1:44 am
another WL incoming
NA destro in shambles

And why wouldn't you really? Play one of the best, if not the best melee class on the dominant side.

To put it in perspective my WL is only 54 (getting up there fast though) and has 5/6 Vanquisher now. He'll have full Vanquisher by 56.. 60 at the very latest, all from gold bag drops. Compare that to my 4 destro toons where I got full Vanquisher by mid-late 60s.. my SH got the final piece at 70.

The amount of bags and easy renown for Order at NA pvdoor times easily outweighs the boredom of non-challenging destro.

Working on a WP now for when I want a different class to play on Order.

Nauht wrote: ↑Mon Jun 02, 2025 11:28 pm

leondre25 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 02, 2025 1:44 am
another WL incoming
NA destro in shambles

And why wouldn't you really? Play one of the best, if not the best melee class on the dominant side.

To put it in perspective my WL is only 54 (getting up there fast though) and has 5/6 Vanquisher now. He'll have full Vanquisher by 56.. 60 at the very latest, all from gold bag drops. Compare that to my 4 destro toons where I got full Vanquisher by mid-late 60s.. my SH got the final piece at 70.

The amount of bags and easy renown for Order at NA pvdoor times easily outweighs the boredom of non-challenging destro.

Working on a WP now for when I want a different class to play on Order.

Thats not a WL issue, thats a NA issue tbh.
though i do agree WL is a bit over-represented right now

Nauht wrote: ↑Mon Jun 02, 2025 11:28 pm To put it in perspective my WL is only 54 (getting up there fast though) and has 5/6 Vanquisher now. He'll have full Vanquisher by 56.. 60 at the very latest, all from gold bag drops. Compare that to my 4 destro toons where I got full Vanquisher by mid-late 60s.. my SH got the final piece at 70.

Literally got my BG full Vanquisher last week at 58, mostly from bags. Still have like 1500-2000 crests on him. I only play N/A, and mostly solo when Destro. Anecdotal evidence is anecdotal.

Order only have 2 AOE Mpds compared to Destro's 3. 1 of those 2 classes was hit by several fairly heavy nerfs, some needed, some definitely not.
It is no surprise that there are so many WL atm as that is the situation that the whole faction was forced to deal with.
WL is strong at the moment no doubt, but not as much as people make it out to be, but of course Destro are getting killed by WLs all the time as it is, by necessity, the most commonly played mdps class for half of the server.
It also doesn't help Destro that the class that can counter WL effectively and has the mirror of their 360 aoe also seems to be one of the least played mele classes.