Return of Reckoning

Bozao wrote: Sat Nov 01, 2025 11:44 pm
I also managed to get my Choppa BIS and it doesn't come close to the mobility of a White Lion. A Choppa, like a Slayer, is a free frag for RDPS/MAGEDPS... a White Lion is unstoppable, there's no one it can't catch.

Strange. That sounds like the WL has the same level of mobility, that the Squigherder has. Oh wait. Maybe that's because They are both the Pet classes.
And guess what. The Squigherder also has the same spamable 360° aoe channel.
Can we please stop the pre rework propaganda QQ already.
Seriously, since the pve patch and the announcement that work on the dps rework soon begins, the QQ posts about ''OP'' WL started popping up.
You know the meme with the Grim reaper walking door to door knocking? The open bloody doors are the other order dps that got nerfed to the ground because of Forum QQ.

Aethilmar wrote: Sun Nov 02, 2025 2:16 am Not going to touch the "OP" argument. But, I will say that WL skill trees and RvR armor make them very flexible and easy to play compared to their role mirror the Marauder.

WRONG!

WL SH
X
SW MARA


Don't talk about mirror and only compare WL to Mara while ignoring SW and SH.

This is a legitimate discussion for those who play White Lion and don't care about nerfs, but rather about balance... This need for proof only comes from those who are afraid of nerfs to the class they play, but know very well how OP it is.

Honestly, I'm a little embarrassed by some of the comments here... but they are part of democracy, and necessary for building arguments, even if many are just to protect the class they play.

I sincerely hope that the Devs will turn their attention to this class; it doesn't need to be something grandiose, just a closer look at armor penetration, which is increasing easily, along with the Hack and Slash tactic. The AOE of the Whirling Axe, for example, has very high damage for a class with so much mobility.

My WL is slowly getting up there... 65 now (and only scared of bis tanks. Nothing else.)

So no nerfs until I get the full BIS experience with him!

Gunlinger wrote: Sun Nov 02, 2025 2:51 am

Aethilmar wrote: Sun Nov 02, 2025 2:16 am Not going to touch the "OP" argument. But, I will say that WL skill trees and RvR armor make them very flexible and easy to play compared to their role mirror the Marauder.

WRONG!

WL SH
X
SW MARA


Don't talk about mirror and only compare WL to Mara while ignoring SW and SH.

The game was designed around role mirrors and mechanic mirrors.

SH and WL are mechanic mirrors (toggeled stances and pets)
Mara and WL are role mirrors (medium armor mdps)

And, yes, the devs messing around have made SH a viable mdps these days. The devs have done lots of "interesting" things but the original analog of the WL was and still is the Mara from a role perspective.

This joke again.

MSH has literally the same skill, and a whole bunch of extra utility.

A well played msh with for the Wich King is an absolute beast.

Imagine coming to court and say to judge "I dont need proofs and defenders are bias, so punish the acused"

And yeh mSH is mirroring ton of WL mechnics, even have coordinated. Add goblin tactic THAT STACK WITH REGULAR DETAUNT that can make him a lot more fat than any WL. On top lvl of acrobatics they can achieve with pounces, kabooms, selfknocks, mass knockbacks that dont give immunity..... are you really sure WL is OP here? Dont even want to start what toys are "poor" maras have.

half of the killboard 10 are WLs, go figure.

so basically for what I understood WL is OP due to whirlwind axe. ok.

A brief History of bias, a blind eye for the own played classes when judging the other side. And a never ending agenda.



by Bozao
Wed Jun 04, 2025 11:16 pm
Re: rSH how to deal with WL?
WLs is a best OP of RoR in this moment... Armor pen is ridiculous and you receive crit tact in T1 O.O hahahahaha

by Bozao
Thu Jun 05, 2025 8:41 pm
Re: rSH how to deal with WL?
There is nothing to be done until they agree that WL is completely broken. Today half of the MDPS in the order are WLs!

by Bozao
Tue Jun 10, 2025 12:56 pm
Re: rSH how to deal with WL?

No! WL needs to be revised, specifically the armor pen. A simple thing that made it extremely strong, with an absurd aoe dps.

By Bozao
Tue Jul 29, 2025 5:20 pm
Tormenting Herald Chaos Chosen Shield

Unfortunately, cool things that don't directly affect the game's flow are eliminated in minutes. And the most interesting thing is that they were already there, created by the original team, but they're not part of the lore, cough cough...

Now look at the important things, like the incredibly mobile white lion using an AoE skill that takes half a tank's HP... that one's okay... cough cough...

Let the players have fun with their fashion show.

by Bozao
Thu Jul 31, 2025 12:15 pm
Re: White Lion Nerf when?
Let's be honest, WL is ridiculous, as is this delay in adjusting it. It's been like this for far too long. Just look at the blobs, which put WL ahead, jumping into the background of Destruction's WBs and spinning, taking 50/60/70% of the HP of healers/mages/rangers... not to mention how much the pet is hitting; there are a lot of things wrong with WL.

There's no way to handle that much armor pen, especially after the armor potion nerf. Let's be more honest and try to maintain a healthy game. WL is very OP and easy to play these days.

by Bozao
Tue Aug 12, 2025 3:22 pm
Re: [Mara] Current state of the class?
I have a MARA 83+ BIS, and what I can say is that the class needs attention, it can't do half of what a WL for example... and since the DEVS want the game to be just BLOB x BLOB, they need to review all the dps in the game, especially the Marauder.

by Bozao
Thu Aug 14, 2025 2:28 pm
Re: Just some population graphs
Why does Order only have WLs?

by Bozao
Mon Aug 25, 2025 7:04 pm
e: New player, looking for class
Create a Godlion(WL)
The best dps of the game!

by Bozao
Sat Nov 01, 2025 9:27 pm
WL is probably the most broken class
Let's be honest; anyone who thinks White Lion is okay needs to rethink their concept of balance.

I recently finished leveling up my WL BIS, but even before that, I never had much trouble getting at least 30 kills and few deaths from the lake. I'm not bragging, on the contrary, it's so easy to play with WL and rack up kills that anyone can do better.

WL urgently needs adjustments, especially to armor penetration. The Whirling Axe build is ridiculously OP, and for some reason, the range seems to be above what's described in the skill. Apparently, it's much more than 25 feet.

Well, the impression is that they left the class like this on purpose, to cause absurd damage without any consideration of the consequences. I've managed to kill over 14 players by jumping into the middle of the destruction while pushing during an attack on the keep in DW, using only Whirling Axe, and the damage reached the corners of the room...

They talk about a DPS balancing patch, but I'm almost certain that the Whirling Axe will continue to be insane, and that really breaks the game, especially since it seems the devs intend to make the game more and more zerg-oriented every day.

Yes, I know that WL defenders will appear, because it's difficult to leave your comfort zone

by Bozao
Sat Nov 01, 2025 11:44 pm
Re: WL is probably the most broken class
I also managed to get my Choppa BIS and it doesn't come close to the mobility of a White Lion. A Choppa, like a Slayer, is a free frag for RDPS/MAGEDPS... a White Lion is unstoppable, there's no one it can't catch.

We're talking about White Lions. There will always be someone using another class as a pretext. Create your post about Choppa, create your arguments there, I will support you. Without turmoil we will reach a better game.

by Bozao
Sat Nov 01, 2025 11:51 pm
Re: WL is probably the most broken class

There's no need for judgment, just common sense. It's impossible not to see how broken this class is, with its absurd mobility, pet + armor penetration... You have to be very distracted to die to another class; not even a tank can withstand that much armor penetration...

If you have a White Lion and it's challenging to play, I'm sorry to say you're doing it wrong...

by Bozao
Sun Nov 02, 2025 2:53 am
Re: WL is probably the most broken class

This is a legitimate discussion for those who play White Lion and don't care about nerfs, but rather about balance... This need for proof only comes from those who are afraid of nerfs to the class they play, but know very well how OP it is.

Honestly, I'm a little embarrassed by some of the comments here... but they are part of democracy, and necessary for building arguments, even if many are just to protect the class they play.

I sincerely hope that the Devs will turn their attention to this class; it doesn't need to be something grandiose, just a closer look at armor penetration, which is increasing easily, along with the Hack and Slash tactic. The AOE of the Whirling Axe, for example, has very high damage for a class with so much mobility.




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You played SH with all it’S mobility, debuffs, tools, kiting advantages and Pets that straight out ignore Walls and just keep hitting. (The class that can jump in and out. Can blast out 360° aoe waves exactly like the WL you hate for being able to do the same) It even has that obnoxious channel punt only destro has on two of its classes, that gives no immunities.
Then you played Mara with it’s hard cc and a Pull that can be restarted endlessly until it works, even if it got defended it just can be instantly used again. And started posting the same stuff about WL but suddenly you argue from a point of envy and that WL should not have what Mara does not have.

Choppas with their unique pull that also works double as an interrupt to Slayers Retribution when those two clash in fights. Mara with their endless retry pull, Tanky aoe spam SH as the third front row aoe dps and unique no immunity punt. DoKs turning every attack of their group into a 20%chance 20% snare. Unkillable Wes that kill targets while being attacked by 5 or more just and still manage to flee because other then WH, THEY CAN get into main stealth while in 2 sec stealth without main stealth cast being reset by EVERY dmg hit. Over all destro dealing ele, corp, spirit dmg, resulting in most of them not having to invest in any WS for armor pen.

But why look into your own garden. The Grass is greener on the other side of the fence anyway. So keep on posting about how op the WL is. I mean that’s how Slayer got nerfed too right. Just cry in forum long and loud enough. Maybe WL does get nerfed too. Then we can all switch to destro an play PVE all day long together, because you managed to QQ away the last un nerfed order melee dps.