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Re: 2h Blackguard Discussion
Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2015 7:38 pm
by Uchoo
Coryphaus wrote:
bgs are ment to be squisher than ibs their ment to be more offensive, and have weaker buffs/debuffs cause their mechanic that builds faster
This I could agree with, IF Blackguards did more damage than Ironbreakers.
Re: 2h Blackguard Discussion
Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2015 7:42 pm
by Coryphaus
bgs buffs are ment to be more self in nature with self buffs further more ibs runic shield only guards vs magic, SoR protects from all sources
furthermore ibs out dmg BG's only once they have full grudge
at max hate vs max grudge ib > bg as it should be b/c grudge builds slower than hate thats how the 2 mirrors are balanced
Re: 2h Blackguard Discussion
Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2015 7:43 pm
by foof
double post
Re: 2h Blackguard Discussion
Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2015 7:44 pm
by foof
foof wrote:Changes look good. I'd take the Cave-In Mirror alone but more would be nice too.
That being said, I'd like the IB to get the anti-detaunt tactic for parity if you make a lot of changes.
Re: 2h Blackguard Discussion
Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2015 7:45 pm
by War
Coryphaus wrote:50% aa haste, highest wounds debuff in the game and you can apply in an aoe , un detauntable, crit on spend hate, durability with good base willpower + buff and durability with shield of rage and bolstering anger, anti crit ability, non tactic needing super punt
IB's have the AA haste from a default ability(SAS), Chosen have Blast Wave, IB's have crit tactic on 50+ grudge, IB's have better and more buffs, the "anti-crit" requires investment in the tank tree.
Coryphaus wrote:BG has the potential to be an extremely strong 2h tank, all they need is a kd
The KD is needed, but more is required for the 2h BG to be a viable choice.
Re: 2h Blackguard Discussion
Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2015 8:01 pm
by Coryphaus
War wrote:
IB's have the AA haste from a default ability(SAS), Chosen have Blast Wave, IB's have crit tactic on 50+ grudge, IB's have better and more buffs, the "anti-crit" requires investment in the tank tree.
stubbon as stone only gives aa haste if you get hit by magic while hastened doom can give aa haste at a much more consistent rate
blast wave is used for the wounds debuff that is the main selling poiint of the ability as the dmg is kinda nothing special
hastended doom provides you with the larget wounds debuff in the game that you can apply in an AoE with monstrous rending and you also have a secondary anti crit component in crush the weak
armor gets pretty high anyway late game with pots, tallis etc that the lack their of a guarded attack mirror in of its self is not a big deal
lastly compare the 2 crit tactics: bg 15% for 5s after spending hate, while ibs require you to be 50% and above to have 15% crit chance
The KD is needed, but more is required for the 2h BG to be a viable choice.
well look at what other options are their for destro:
1) chosen REALLLLLY should/needs/wants to go SnB simply because mixed defenses, and destined for victory are really strong tactics and even with snb you can still get crippling strikes
2) Blorc can go 2h but if you go snb you still have access to all the good things in 2h path: gork smash, NiDF, tree hit combo and with snb you can use ye missed me and you sez me block dat
Re: 2h Blackguard Discussion
Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2015 8:03 pm
by Libra
Probably the 20th "discussion thread" about Blackguard the last 5 months. Do people never search?
Re: 2h Blackguard Discussion
Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2015 8:07 pm
by Coryphaus
Libra wrote:Probably the 20th "discussion thread" about Blackguard the last 5 months. Do people never search?
people just want to disscuss how to improve an inferior playstyle
their is literally nothing wrong with this as this is what forums are for and making a new thread is better than necroing a dead one
Re: 2h Blackguard Discussion
Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2015 8:10 pm
by Uchoo
Coryphaus wrote:bgs buffs are ment to be more self in nature with self buffs further more ibs runic shield only guards vs magic, SoR protects from all sources
furthermore ibs out dmg BG's only once they have full grudge
at max hate vs max grudge ib > bg as it should be b/c grudge builds slower than hate thats how the 2 mirrors are balanced
IB's and BG's build Hate/Grudge at the same rate, sure it requires a tactic for the IB, but once he hits max (at the exact same rate the BG does), he is better in every circumstance, in your words.
And honestly, without the tactic, you just float Oath Friend onto whoever is getting hit to get the free Grudge, it's not a tough thing to do.
Re: 2h Blackguard Discussion
Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2015 8:12 pm
by Uchoo
Coryphaus wrote:Libra wrote:Probably the 20th "discussion thread" about Blackguard the last 5 months. Do people never search?
people just want to disscuss how to improve an inferior playstyle
their is literally nothing wrong with this as this is what forums are for and making a new thread is better than necroing a dead one
Yes, discussion is always good. Hating on a thread is bad for business. For everyone.
Furthermore, if a topic keeps coming up time and time and time again from different sources, doesn't that mean there's likely an issue to be resolved?