Return of Reckoning

oaliaen wrote: Mon Oct 07, 2019 4:09 pm something is wrong when a mellee rdps perform better than real mellee classes.. SH got cutted in half already .But and the other (ASW) ?

Manatikik wrote: Mon Oct 07, 2019 4:39 pm

oaliaen wrote: Mon Oct 07, 2019 4:09 pm something is wrong when a mellee rdps perform better than real mellee classes.. SH got cutted in half already .But and the other (ASW) ?

That’s kind of misrepresenting the case by a bit though. ASW is highly effective when RR 70+ with BiS gear as a ST DPS/Debuffer in small scale situations. MSH was doing good damage from a low RR and gear threshold with good utility in large scale situations and also being good at ST damage in a small scale situation as well.

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Akalukz wrote: Mon Oct 07, 2019 6:35 pm

Manatikik wrote: Mon Oct 07, 2019 4:39 pm

oaliaen wrote: Mon Oct 07, 2019 4:09 pm something is wrong when a mellee rdps perform better than real mellee classes.. SH got cutted in half already .But and the other (ASW) ?

That’s kind of misrepresenting the case by a bit though. ASW is highly effective when RR 70+ with BiS gear as a ST DPS/Debuffer in small scale situations. MSH was doing good damage from a low RR and gear threshold with good utility in large scale situations and also being good at ST damage in a small scale situation as well.

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Which goes back to gear/renown points/bonus mastery points.

Manatikik wrote: Mon Oct 07, 2019 4:39 pm


That’s kind of misrepresenting the case by a bit though. ASW is highly effective when RR 70+ with BiS gear as a ST DPS/Debuffer in small scale situations. MSH was doing good damage from a low RR and gear threshold with good utility in large scale situations and also being good at ST damage in a small scale situation as well.

Sure, ASW is strong but it’s far from broken and with a couple small tweaks is the face of balance from a small scale perspective while still being utterly trash in large scale applications.


And the whole ‘perform better in melee’ shtick needs to go; unless you are fighting in a decent 6v6 (which 99.9% of the server does not in any shape, way, or form) then Scout/Big Shootin’ is just as effective in ST damage as Assault/Stabbin’. Though SH/SW are both utterly worthless as RDPS in WB’s (with SH being less worthless due to its Big Shootin’ m4).

Akalukz wrote: Mon Oct 07, 2019 6:35 pm

Which goes back to gear/renown points/bonus mastery points.

Manatikik wrote: Mon Oct 07, 2019 6:39 pm
Aka Progression which is a key component of an MMO...

TenTonHammer wrote: Mon Oct 07, 2019 8:25 pm

Manatikik wrote: Mon Oct 07, 2019 4:39 pm


That’s kind of misrepresenting the case by a bit though. ASW is highly effective when RR 70+ with BiS gear as a ST DPS/Debuffer in small scale situations. MSH was doing good damage from a low RR and gear threshold with good utility in large scale situations and also being good at ST damage in a small scale situation as well.

Sure, ASW is strong but it’s far from broken and with a couple small tweaks is the face of balance from a small scale perspective while still being utterly trash in large scale applications.


And the whole ‘perform better in melee’ shtick needs to go; unless you are fighting in a decent 6v6 (which 99.9% of the server does not in any shape, way, or form) then Scout/Big Shootin’ is just as effective in ST damage as Assault/Stabbin’. Though SH/SW are both utterly worthless as RDPS in WB’s (with SH being less worthless due to its Big Shootin’ m4).

The whole "strong in small scale so **** in orvr" mentality needs to go cause that's just lazy balancing that pigeon holes classes and furthermore a real problem when classes like rdps herder or ASW etc need a certain renown rank to function and indicates that the trees need to be adjusted so that certain tools can be reached earlier

you shouldnt have to grind out a class to 70rr just to make a spec work

Akalukz wrote: Mon Oct 07, 2019 6:35 pm

Which goes back to gear/renown points/bonus mastery points.

No, Gear should never factor into class balance

A class, spec or playstyle should be viable and strong on their own, not enabled by some crutch set

Manatikik wrote: Mon Oct 07, 2019 6:39 pm
Aka Progression which is a key component of an MMO...

Progression of sets should not affect the viability of a class or spec

Manatikik wrote: Mon Oct 07, 2019 8:52 pm

Why shouldn’t RR/Gear affect the viability of a spec?

simtex wrote: Tue May 07, 2019 9:38 am Too bad most proposals turn into shitstorms with complete pugs giving their '2cents', those same people who ride the blob every evening and get farmed like tards anytime they're left outside said blob.

GL though

TenTonHammer wrote: Mon Oct 07, 2019 9:22 pm

Manatikik wrote: Mon Oct 07, 2019 8:52 pm

Why shouldn’t RR/Gear affect the viability of a spec?

Firstly you shouldnt have to wait till your 10 rr lvls from the rr lvl cap in order to have all the tools/abilites necessary to make a spec work like in the case of rSH for example

secondly becuase sets come and go, they get changed, they get nerfed you firstly want something that inconsistent to determine the effectiveness or factor into the balance of a class?

Which gear do you want to balance for? conq? vanq? invader? warlord? TOVL? Off/def Sov? 2/3/4/5/6 piece bonuses?

they should not enable a class because if a spec has to rely on outside elements then that in an indicator of a weak spec

for example 2H chosen is **** dumpster tier with pitiful damage that is non-viable unless enabled to some extent by bloodlord? Or how there is a real power difference between a slayer/choppa who does or does not have full invader, which of those do you want to balance for?

Class balance should focus entirely on the classes themselves and not outside factors like sets