I always thought that lore wise, magus should've been the BW mirror and sorc the engi mirror.
Re: [Magus] Why so weak?
Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2016 11:53 pm
by peterthepan3
Daknallbomb wrote:The hardest problem at st spec is that u nearly never come to a perfect rotation . the dmg is rly nice but most of times target isnt in range 4 all casts and u are damnit immobile
very true.
Re: [Magus] Why so weak?
Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2016 10:37 pm
by Tesq
mayh wrote:I always thought that lore wise, magus should've been the BW mirror and sorc the engi mirror.
magus have some cross mirror stuff with bw and sorc have some cross mirrro stuff with sw indeed.
Re: [Magus] Why so weak?
Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2016 10:55 pm
by catholicism198
Tesq wrote:
mayh wrote:I always thought that lore wise, magus should've been the BW mirror and sorc the engi mirror.
magus have some cross mirror stuff with bw and sorc have some cross mirrro stuff with sw indeed.
Like what?
*Aside from them both being either Elves or Humans.
Re: [Magus] Why so weak?
Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2016 11:00 pm
by peterthepan3
They cast projectiles and objects from range, I guess.
Re: [Magus] Why so weak?
Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2016 3:38 am
by mayh
I meant more as in the magus should've been the massive warpfire damaging caster, and the sorc more the debuffer/dotter
Re: [Magus] Why so weak?
Posted: Sun Aug 28, 2016 12:02 pm
by ToXoS
No. Lore wise, a dark elf sorceress use dark magic, the most destructive kind of magic in the warhammer universe, so it makes sense for the carreer to do massive direct damage.
Same for magus. As a chaos sorcerer of Tzeentch, the magus brings change and mutation by using change magic (or the lore of Tzeentch in the tabletop game). In the game, these things are represented by the huge amount of DOT that magi are capable to cast.
But as we all know, these DOT are not much of a threat atm. I hope the devs will choose to shorten the time to something like 9 seconds for all DOT of the magus. After thought, making one or several of these DOT uncleansable may be OP.
Re: [Magus] Why so weak?
Posted: Sun Aug 28, 2016 12:07 pm
by Tesq
bw/magus
-ap tactic(sorc managed to get the same for some reason while engi a badder one)
-undefitable skill due to tactic
Sorc/SW
-own damage increase via skill
-damage increase to group memeber via tactic(sorc 10% DAMAGES/ SW crit increase)
some of stuff is mirrored not to classes but by pairing while other is mirrored via classes mirror which is why classes have cross mirrors (some classes have a lots of exeption due to nerf/buff history and classes relase history).
Usually 2 skills/tactics are the same while 1 is in a bit different form, for exemple ch/IB/BG disrupt tactic; chosen regen wounds instead ap like IB/BG.
Or KD on order side: 2 pure rkd on bw/SW, 1 on destru with disrupt as condition for mara.
Re: [Magus] Why so weak?
Posted: Sun Aug 28, 2016 1:09 pm
by Atropik
Tesq wrote:bw/magus
-ap tactic(sorc managed to get the same for some reason while engi a badder one)
Devour Energy is a common tactic for all casters, bw/magus/sorc, like morals and some other tools.
-undefitable skill due to tactic
Wut? Bolt of Change is equal to Snipe. Burn Through tactic has nothing to deal with it.
BWs Burn Through+Funnel Power+Flashfire combo equal to Sorcs Swell of Gloom+SoD+Echoe of Power, and there is no place for magus.
Sorc/SW
-own damage increase via skill
SWs Vegeance's mirrior is called Mutated Agression, mara has it, while sorcs Obsessive Focus is a BWs Cauterize, at this point Mythics finaly lost all the logic they had before:mrgreen:
-damage increase to group memeber via tactic(sorc 10% DAMAGES/ SW crit increase
Id say Feading on Fear is more equal to LS, but not Infernal Gift.
Re: [Magus] Why so weak?
Posted: Sun Aug 28, 2016 5:01 pm
by Tesq
Spoiler:
Atropik wrote:
Tesq wrote:bw/magus
-ap tactic(sorc managed to get the same for some reason while engi a badder one)
Devour Energy is a common tactic for all casters, bw/magus/sorc, like morals and some other tools.
-undefitable skill due to tactic
Wut? Bolt of Change is equal to Snipe. Burn Through tactic has nothing to deal with it.
BWs Burn Through+Funnel Power+Flashfire combo equal to Sorcs Swell of Gloom+SoD+Echoe of Power, and there is no place for magus.
Sorc/SW
-own damage increase via skill
SWs Vegeance's mirrior is called Mutated Agression, mara has it, while sorcs Obsessive Focus is a BWs Cauterize, at this point Mythics finaly lost all the logic they had before:mrgreen:
-damage increase to group memeber via tactic(sorc 10% DAMAGES/ SW crit increase
Id say Feading on Fear is more equal to LS, but not Infernal Gift.