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Re: AM the undisputed worst healer: A discussion

Posted: Sat Jan 30, 2021 3:51 pm
by emiliorv
Sulorie wrote: Sat Jan 30, 2021 3:45 pm
taquete wrote: Sat Jan 30, 2021 3:33 pm So everyone is dicussing if they can or cant kite an entire wb rather than the point in my post stating that FodG is way more powerful in a kiting class as is the shaman than EoV in a pooperly designed class as is the AM

Nice way to change the topic
You make it sound as if a shaman slots run away in a warband during city siege because only there and at similar funnels the Skill is most effective. It won't save you if being alone and getting pushed by a warband or even a competent group.
Everyone knows the kind of players complaining by that tactic...really dont worth waste the time trying to explain them anything.

Re: AM the undisputed worst healer: A discussion

Posted: Sat Jan 30, 2021 6:22 pm
by taquete
Sulorie wrote: Sat Jan 30, 2021 3:45 pm
taquete wrote: Sat Jan 30, 2021 3:33 pm So everyone is dicussing if they can or cant kite an entire wb rather than the point in my post stating that FodG is way more powerful in a kiting class as is the shaman than EoV in a pooperly designed class as is the AM

Nice way to change the topic
You make it sound as if a shaman slots run away in a warband during city siege because only there and at similar funnels the Skill is most effective. It won't save you if being alone and getting pushed by a warband or even a competent group.

80ft distance for a core mechanic ability (that shamans and AMs have to spec for) in a supposedly long range healing class and with near zero survivability in close range combat (for AMs, not shamans) is what im saying has tobe fixed.
Shamans and AMs are not comparable bc of the diferences stated by me and many others.

Re: AM the undisputed worst healer: A discussion

Posted: Sat Jan 30, 2021 9:17 pm
by zumos2
taquete wrote: Sat Jan 30, 2021 6:22 pm
Sulorie wrote: Sat Jan 30, 2021 3:45 pm
taquete wrote: Sat Jan 30, 2021 3:33 pm So everyone is dicussing if they can or cant kite an entire wb rather than the point in my post stating that FodG is way more powerful in a kiting class as is the shaman than EoV in a pooperly designed class as is the AM

Nice way to change the topic
You make it sound as if a shaman slots run away in a warband during city siege because only there and at similar funnels the Skill is most effective. It won't save you if being alone and getting pushed by a warband or even a competent group.

80ft distance for a core mechanic ability (that shamans and AMs have to spec for) in a supposedly long range healing class and with near zero survivability in close range combat (for AMs, not shamans) is what im saying has tobe fixed.
Shamans and AMs are not comparable bc of the diferences stated by me and many others.
The only player who thinks 80 ft is close range is an engie.

Re: AM the undisputed worst healer: A discussion

Posted: Mon Feb 01, 2021 3:30 am
by MedV
I think if they just gave AM more survivability to be equal to the shammy, I would be happy. Though even then these 2 will still be by far the weakest healer and least I wouldnt die so much if I position even 2 cm off.

Re: AM the undisputed worst healer: A discussion

Posted: Mon Feb 01, 2021 6:39 am
by Sinisterror
AM/SH easy fix is to make Green an cleanin/Isha's Encouragement to whole grp. Make Shrug it off/Magical insufion core and for am replace it with copy of swift strikes that heals instead of dmg. This helps AM escape away from melee while healing a little bit at the same time. This shouldnt be usable when you are dps spec.

Oh and important is to switch places with you got nothin / fodg / Law of gold / eov. AM should get dsu and SH should get funnel essence.

Re: AM the undisputed worst healer: A discussion

Posted: Mon Feb 01, 2021 6:45 am
by Ysaran
taquete wrote: Sat Jan 30, 2021 6:22 pm
Sulorie wrote: Sat Jan 30, 2021 3:45 pm
taquete wrote: Sat Jan 30, 2021 3:33 pm So everyone is dicussing if they can or cant kite an entire wb rather than the point in my post stating that FodG is way more powerful in a kiting class as is the shaman than EoV in a pooperly designed class as is the AM

Nice way to change the topic
You make it sound as if a shaman slots run away in a warband during city siege because only there and at similar funnels the Skill is most effective. It won't save you if being alone and getting pushed by a warband or even a competent group.

80ft distance for a core mechanic ability (that shamans and AMs have to spec for) in a supposedly long range healing class and with near zero survivability in close range combat (for AMs, not shamans) is what im saying has tobe fixed.
Shamans and AMs are not comparable bc of the diferences stated by me and many others.
80ft are fine

Re: AM the undisputed worst healer: A discussion

Posted: Mon Feb 01, 2021 6:51 am
by Ysaran
MedV wrote: Mon Feb 01, 2021 3:30 am I think if they just gave AM more survivability to be equal to the shammy, I would be happy. Though even then these 2 will still be by far the weakest healer and least I wouldnt die so much if I position even 2 cm off.
yes, these two classes are unforgiving. You need to know what you are doing or at the first error you'll die. But that's the funny part of the class. WP/RP are boring AF, plz don't kill AM just because a couple of dum dum can't play the class. Those ppl can jusr roll a WP. Also, they are not the "worst healers", I can give play of SS of both city and SC where Shaman/AM top the charts. I know SS aren't much of a proof, but searching around the forum you can find plenty of proofs, like Cimba's Ranked videos or Leaky's City videos.

Re: AM the undisputed worst healer: A discussion

Posted: Mon Feb 01, 2021 9:06 am
by MedV
Ysaran wrote: Mon Feb 01, 2021 6:51 am
MedV wrote: Mon Feb 01, 2021 3:30 am I think if they just gave AM more survivability to be equal to the shammy, I would be happy. Though even then these 2 will still be by far the weakest healer and least I wouldnt die so much if I position even 2 cm off.
yes, these two classes are unforgiving. You need to know what you are doing or at the first error you'll die. But that's the funny part of the class. WP/RP are boring AF, plz don't kill AM just because a couple of dum dum can't play the class. Those ppl can jusr roll a WP. Also, they are not the "worst healers", I can give play of SS of both city and SC where Shaman/AM top the charts. I know SS aren't much of a proof, but searching around the forum you can find plenty of proofs, like Cimba's Ranked videos or Leaky's City videos.
I mean AM are by far the worst healer. Yes I know in the right situation they can top heals but so can a Chosen top dps in scs.

Giving the AM some survivability won’t make it unfun. Leakys city is 10 mins of EOV with no one hitting him. There’s a reason every city wb wants WP/RP.

Re: AM the undisputed worst healer: A discussion

Posted: Mon Feb 01, 2021 10:11 am
by Ysaran
MedV wrote: Mon Feb 01, 2021 9:06 am
Ysaran wrote: Mon Feb 01, 2021 6:51 am
MedV wrote: Mon Feb 01, 2021 3:30 am I think if they just gave AM more survivability to be equal to the shammy, I would be happy. Though even then these 2 will still be by far the weakest healer and least I wouldnt die so much if I position even 2 cm off.
yes, these two classes are unforgiving. You need to know what you are doing or at the first error you'll die. But that's the funny part of the class. WP/RP are boring AF, plz don't kill AM just because a couple of dum dum can't play the class. Those ppl can jusr roll a WP. Also, they are not the "worst healers", I can give play of SS of both city and SC where Shaman/AM top the charts. I know SS aren't much of a proof, but searching around the forum you can find plenty of proofs, like Cimba's Ranked videos or Leaky's City videos.
I mean AM are by far the worst healer. Yes I know in the right situation they can top heals but so can a Chosen top dps in scs.

Giving the AM some survivability won’t make it unfun. Leakys city is 10 mins of EOV with no one hitting him. There’s a reason every city wb wants WP/RP.
Ah I see what's the problem here. City WBs want RPs/WPs because most of AM are plain bad and also because you don't need more than one or two in a whole WB. Like you don't need more than one Engie/WH/rSW.
Only because you don't stack one class it doesn't mean that that class is bad, but that the class fill a niche role.

Re: AM the undisputed worst healer: A discussion

Posted: Mon Feb 01, 2021 10:28 am
by balvor877
Ysaran wrote: Mon Feb 01, 2021 6:51 am
yes, these two classes are unforgiving. You need to know what you are doing or at the first error you'll die. But that's the funny part of the class. ....
The guys is saying that the low survivability is the fun part...

Nocturne is a Witchelf. Of course he likes easy targets...

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