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Re: Patch Notes 22/08/2024

Posted: Fri Aug 23, 2024 5:28 pm
by Sulorie
Mortgrimm wrote: Fri Aug 23, 2024 4:59 pm
"Don't you get grudge if someone hits your oath friend?"


Yes, i do. But with this changes the fight is over already.
Grudge generation takes way too long. Even longer now with just half of the parry.
Half the parry? Don't exaggerate to make a point please.

Re: Patch Notes 22/08/2024

Posted: Fri Aug 23, 2024 5:30 pm
by Zxul
Akalukz wrote: Fri Aug 23, 2024 3:33 pm
rychu007 wrote: Fri Aug 23, 2024 5:19 am
Akalukz wrote: Thu Aug 22, 2024 11:05 pm love it, keep making people decide between offensive and defensive. It's good for the game, no one should be both a killing machine and unkillable.

Not sure on the sorc/bw change. That's been that way since launch, seems odd to mess with it now.

Just need to mirror the access to the "guile" proc to destro as much and easily as it is given to Order.
Did U notice that those changes affects only mdps and some 2h tanks? This is not balancing anything, it is boosting range dps. Maybe U skipped it because U play am dps or sth like that :)
Quick question for you, when did 100 WS start adding 3% to parry? On live? 8 Years ago? 5 years ago? less then 1 maybe? It's a positive change, should have never been added in the first place. It's part of the gear gap issue, classes can too good at damage and at avoiding it. You shouldn't be able to do glass cannon damage but yet take or avoid hits like a tank.
Less then 1 year ago, actually barely 7 months, 25/01/2024 patch.

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=52422

Before that ws barely gave any parry.

Re: Patch Notes 22/08/2024

Posted: Fri Aug 23, 2024 5:58 pm
by Mortgrimm
Sulorie wrote: Fri Aug 23, 2024 5:28 pm
Mortgrimm wrote: Fri Aug 23, 2024 4:59 pm
"Don't you get grudge if someone hits your oath friend?"


Yes, i do. But with this changes the fight is over already.
Grudge generation takes way too long. Even longer now with just half of the parry.
Half the parry? Don't exaggerate to make a point please.
From 47 to 32%? It´s almost half, yes. And i´m not talking about buffs and linis and sent tali.

Re: Patch Notes 22/08/2024

Posted: Fri Aug 23, 2024 6:04 pm
by what63
Mortgrimm wrote: Fri Aug 23, 2024 5:58 pm
Sulorie wrote: Fri Aug 23, 2024 5:28 pm
Mortgrimm wrote: Fri Aug 23, 2024 4:59 pm
"Don't you get grudge if someone hits your oath friend?"


Yes, i do. But with this changes the fight is over already.
Grudge generation takes way too long. Even longer now with just half of the parry.
Half the parry? Don't exaggerate to make a point please.
From 47 to 32%? It´s almost half, yes. And i´m not talking about buffs and linis and sent tali.
Not even close to half. And entirely moot when the figure isn't relative to your consistently achievable potential to begin with.......

Re: Patch Notes 22/08/2024

Posted: Fri Aug 23, 2024 6:55 pm
by Noslock
Sulorie wrote: Fri Aug 23, 2024 5:28 pm
Mortgrimm wrote: Fri Aug 23, 2024 4:59 pm
"Don't you get grudge if someone hits your oath friend?"


Yes, i do. But with this changes the fight is over already.
Grudge generation takes way too long. Even longer now with just half of the parry.
Half the parry? Don't exaggerate to make a point please.
not an exaggeration,i lost half parry too on my ib with 462 ws before selfbuff or pots.

Re: Patch Notes 22/08/2024

Posted: Fri Aug 23, 2024 7:21 pm
by Sulorie
Noslock wrote: Fri Aug 23, 2024 6:55 pm
Sulorie wrote: Fri Aug 23, 2024 5:28 pm
Mortgrimm wrote: Fri Aug 23, 2024 4:59 pm
"Don't you get grudge if someone hits your oath friend?"


Yes, i do. But with this changes the fight is over already.
Grudge generation takes way too long. Even longer now with just half of the parry.
Half the parry? Don't exaggerate to make a point please.
not an exaggeration,i lost half parry too on my ib with 462 ws before selfbuff or pots.
Last year your WS didn't even gave 5% parry. Nowadays with group buffs you are supposed to be at least at 300 init. Your total parry will take a negligible dip.

Re: Patch Notes 22/08/2024

Posted: Fri Aug 23, 2024 8:42 pm
by Mortgrimm
We are talking about small scale play and lame grudg generation.
You need high parry for this. It will still work ofc but takes much longer.
No grudge - no dmg.
That was my main on live and here for years. Now he will be stored somewhere till he will be playable again.
Time to play ranged as wished.

Re: Patch Notes 22/08/2024

Posted: Fri Aug 23, 2024 8:55 pm
by what63
Mortgrimm wrote: Fri Aug 23, 2024 8:42 pm We are talking about small scale play and lame grudg generation.
You need high parry for this. It will still work ofc but takes much longer.
No grudge - no dmg.
That was my main on live and here for years. Now he will be stored somewhere till he will be playable again.
Time to play ranged as wished.
The point is, that by your logic, the january patch, before which IB was perfect for a good few years, doubled your grudge generation. And this being changed back to the status quo of years past is an issue? And this in combination with the only major grudge spenders receiving big buffs relatively recently anyways?? I mean please, explain how IB was in dire need of any of this, to the point where any reversion would render it unplayable or in fact in a worse state than it was mere months ago, considering it had a very solid spot in the specific area of the game you are quoting, for years, prior to either of the changes.

Re: Patch Notes 22/08/2024

Posted: Fri Aug 23, 2024 9:43 pm
by Noslock
Sulorie wrote: Fri Aug 23, 2024 7:21 pm
Noslock wrote: Fri Aug 23, 2024 6:55 pm
Sulorie wrote: Fri Aug 23, 2024 5:28 pm

Half the parry? Don't exaggerate to make a point please.
not an exaggeration,i lost half parry too on my ib with 462 ws before selfbuff or pots.
Last year your WS didn't even gave 5% parry. Nowadays with group buffs you are supposed to be at least at 300 init. Your total parry will take a negligible dip.
well i like to roam alone so no group buff but not a big deal ,luckily ib can self buff parry if needed,was just saying that half parry gone was not an exaggeration.can play sw ,squig or shaman dps and have fun farming people anyway.

Re: Patch Notes 22/08/2024

Posted: Fri Aug 23, 2024 10:01 pm
by vanbuinen77
And yet ib gets parry and init buff.

Youll be fine.