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Re: Poll: SH healdebuff on level 21 (temp change until T3)
Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2015 9:12 am
by Luth
Pounce works already:
http://www.returnofreckoning.com/forum/ ... f=8&t=3475
It is the fixed "1.4.9 version".
Also: mid air pounce is possible.
Re: Poll: SH healdebuff on level 21 (temp change until T3)
Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2015 9:22 am
by mickeye
Good to hear. By the way it's fun to see WL at 0 AP after 3 attacks. WTB Tahoth pots.
Re: Poll: SH healdebuff on level 21 (temp change until T3)
Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2015 9:23 am
by Zealote
Luth wrote:[]
Also: mid air pounce is possible.
Because it hasn't been fixed yet (if you consider it a bug) or because it's seen as acceptable? Pouncing in mid-air to avoid punts (while also gaining full immunity ofc) is absurd imo, just as it was with being able to Agile Escape/Declare Anathema the "wrong" way in mid-air after being punted.
Re: Poll: SH healdebuff on level 21 (temp change until T3)
Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2015 9:26 am
by mickeye
Zealote wrote:Because it hasn't been fixed yet (if you consider it a bug) or because it's seen as acceptable? Pouncing in mid-air to avoid punts (while also gaining full immunity ofc) is absurd imo
Why is pouncing mid-air a bug? Please explain.
Re: Poll: SH healdebuff on level 21 (temp change until T3)
Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2015 9:39 am
by Zealote
mickeye wrote:Zealote wrote:Because it hasn't been fixed yet (if you consider it a bug) or because it's seen as acceptable? Pouncing in mid-air to avoid punts (while also gaining full immunity ofc) is absurd imo
Why is pouncing mid-air a bug? Please explain.
I never said it was a bug; I said that I think it's absurd it was possible (whether it was intended or not, though I doubt it).
Please explain why WLs with any awareness should be largely immune to punts. I'm sure it's hilarious jumping back to your target in mid-air, not so hilarious when you're a tank and either blow your 20s cd punt, or you don't even bother trying as you know it'll be pointless (or even actively bad by giving em free root immy as well).
Re: Poll: SH healdebuff on level 21 (temp change until T3)
Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2015 9:48 am
by Luth
Hm, mid air pouncing in SWTOR works exactly like in WAR and it's under active development by bioware (didn't play it lately though).
Imo when punting should make pounce impossible, it should also make all other abilities impossible when you are punted (e.g. resurrecting, healing etc.). But i guess this would be a big balance shift and make long range punts even more powerful.
Don't remember if it was like that on the mythic server, but you have to be very fast to successfully mid air pounce (or maybe i'm just getting older...). Additionally the tank who punted the WL, could also KD him first to prevent the mid air pounce (always advisable to make sure the enemy is not punted in a direction you don't targeted at, cause of lag

).
Re: Poll: SH healdebuff on level 21 (temp change until T3)
Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2015 9:53 am
by wender88
Luth wrote:Hm, mid air pouncing in SWTOR works exactly like in WAR and it's under active development by bioware (didn't play it lately though).
Imo when punting should make pounce impossible, it should also make all other abilities impossible when you are punted (e.g. resurrecting, healing etc.). But i guess this would be a big balance shift and make long range punts even more powerful.
Don't remember if it was like that on the mythic server, but you have to be very fast to successfully mid air pounce (or maybe i'm just getting older...). Additionally the tank who punted the WL, could also KD him first to prevent the mid air pounce (always advisable to make sure the enemy is not punted in a direction you don't targeted at, cause of lag

).
If it the version of pounce, that was active at server shutdown I find it almost impossible to abuse midair. There was a fix of it at some point, and before that it could be abused almost as you wanted to. Avoiding fall dmg of keep walls, avoid being punted of ledges, heck even avoid dieing from the big bridge crossing rvr lake in DW near order WC. After that fix it hardly never worked.
And as I somewhat agree with Zealote, I dont really see the difference from pouncing back to taget straight after landing or doing it midair. We are talking half a second or so here, and wont really change much due to global cooldown anyway. thats my oppinion atleast

Re: Poll: SH healdebuff on level 21 (temp change until T3)
Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2015 10:21 am
by Azarael
I wonder why people think you should be able to pounce in mid air. Unless you're packing a jetpack, I don't see how that's physically possible.
Re: Poll: SH healdebuff on level 21 (temp change until T3)
Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2015 10:27 am
by Zealote
Luth wrote:Imo when punting should make pounce impossible, it should also make all other abilities impossible when you are punted (e.g. resurrecting, healing etc.). But i guess this would be a big balance shift and make long range punts even more powerful.
They seem different to me though: say you punt a healer off a bridge and they still heal or even res in mid-air (dno about anyone else but I didn't see this that often?), you've still gotten rid of the healer, there's only so much healing they can do before they're out of range/los. Pounce, on the other hand, could almost
completely nullify a punt (I spose except for the very brief time it takes for the WL to pounce back).
Luth wrote:Don't remember if it was like that on the mythic server, but you have to be very fast to successfully mid air pounce (or maybe i'm just getting older...). Additionally the tank who punted the WL, could also KD him first to prevent the mid air pounce (always advisable to make sure the enemy is not punted in a direction you don't targeted at, cause of lag

).
I don't remember it being too difficult but that was a while back tbh. No examples of it from towards the end stick out in my mind but that could just be cos there were hardly any WLs around

Agreed on kd-->punt
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I'd forgotten about all that crap with avoiding fall dmg etc Itena

Re: Poll: SH healdebuff on level 21 (temp change until T3)
Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2015 10:34 am
by Telen
Azarael wrote:I wonder why people think you should be able to pounce in mid air. Unless you're packing a jetpack, I don't see how that's physically possible.
Video game double jump physics