Return of Reckoning

Tiir wrote:Azarael already said that he will not change it, not unil WL get something in exchange for it. I am more in fear what it could be than about pounce now. My magic eyes sees a 3 Sec. CD on Pounce, but Cooridnated Strike CD also reduced to 3 Sec. and AP reduced to 25ap while Pet summon has no CD anymore. Still able to jump Walls and mid-air. So its bettter to have a ultimate CC counter ability to compensate a not reliable pet than something worse.

It always can get worse -> spamable healing ability for kiteing DPS AMs

My advice is to join order, waiting times for SC are insane but you win mostly and have not to face unfair game balance.

Beter close this thread.

i think you misunderstood him, its not about "give wl something else" but to rework the whole class sometime and THEN pounce will perhaps be valuable even with a cooldown.

OT: when the target is moving 100% of the pounces land you like 30ft away from target, so it would render pounce useless with a cooldown. A good SH can kill a lion perfectly when he uses his cc smartly.

i suggest having a buildup time instead of cooldown might work as well, so it can't be used while mid-air and can be aborted if beeing attacked

Really it needs to go on a 15s cd after its second use. So you can pounce in and out.

Telen wrote:Really it needs to go on a 15s cd after its second use. So you can pounce in and out.

I suggest that togethere with the current cap, the server message of the day shows this too:

POUNCE DOES NOT WORK ON ALLIES, IT CANNOT BE USED AS A ESCAPE TOOL.

bloodi wrote:I suggest that togethere with the current cap, the server message of the day shows this too:

POUNCE DOES NOT WORK ON ALLIES, IT CANNOT BE USED AS A ESCAPE TOOL.

Who said it can?

Tiggo wrote:
OT: when the target is moving 100% of the pounces land you like 30ft away from target, so it would render pounce useless with a cooldown. A good SH can kill a lion perfectly when he uses his cc smartly.

You talking about 1v1. In a group vs. group fight there are several immobile targets: Magus close to their pets, the Magus' pet itself, healers casting group heal, sorcs castin Doombolt, not to mention that healers can't be too far away from their frontline if they want to heal them. But ok, let's say it always lands you 30ft away from your target. In this context, a CD would definitely make the skill useless.

The issue with Pounce i see in this thread is that people ask for a CD for several different reasons:

- They kill me with Pounce spam. (As Liandel pointed out, if you die to Pounce spam you are doing something horribly wrong).
- They jump to the keep walls. (Again, as Liandel said, if you can't hold those walls, you probably gonna loose the keep anyway).
- They can jump mid-air and basically be immune to punts. (This is actually the reason why I thought Pounce needed a CD).

So yeah, the only thing i really have against Pounce is that it makes the WL immune to punts. However, giving Pounce a CD would harm their mobility in other situations. So instead of asking for a CD, i just think they should not be allowed to pounce mid-air. Even if they get punted, once they land they will be able to Pounce back again to their target (and they will have a 30 sec immunity timer now). I don't see any valid reason why a spammable skill should be able to negate all punts/pulls in the game (even those that come from Morales).

10 second cooldown. 1 second root on target that you pounce too.

Respects immovable immunity (if you pounce to a target with immovable up, he isn't rooted for the 1 second).

Pounce can't be used while rooted. Make it unusable while knocked-back.

Fix it's z-axis capability so it can't scale a wall.

done.

Penril wrote:
The issue with Pounce i see in this thread is that people ask for a CD for several different reasons:

- They kill me with Pounce spam. (As Liandel pointed out, if you die to Pounce spam you are doing something horribly wrong).
- They jump to the keep walls. (Again, as Liandel said, if you can't hold those walls, you probably gonna loose the keep anyway).
- They can jump mid-air and basically be immune to punts. (This is actually the reason why I thought Pounce needed a CD).

Add: It enables the WL to freely get in and out of the fight with zero downside. A small cooldown would at least require some commitment and limit the amount of distance a WL can travel in 3 GCDs. Yes it doesn't work on allies there are still plenty of targets

Shadowgurke wrote: Yes it doesn't work on allies there are still plenty of targets

And whose fault is that?

Really, if the arggument to give pounce a cd is that stupid people give WL a path to escape, then we are done here.

Shadowgurke wrote:
Add: It enables the WL to freely get in and out of the fight with zero downside. A small cooldown would at least require some commitment and limit the amount of distance a WL can travel in 3 GCDs. Yes it doesn't work on allies there are still plenty of targets

Yeah, i think i mentioned that several pages ago. I find it specially funny when some WL's say a 5 sec CD would kill them. I mean, really... when you pounce on a target in the backline, do you use one skill and then Pounce away? Don't you want to use your armor debuff? maybe a snare, Coordinated Strike, Cull the Weak? By the time you used those, 5 seconds have already passed and you can Pounce away if needed. But anyway, as i said, i don't think a CD is needed since i realized the only thing that bugs me is their immunity to punts/pulls.