velenne wrote: Wed Jul 22, 2020 7:48 pm
Foofmonger wrote: Wed Jul 22, 2020 6:52 pm I actually think its pretty well balanced myself, but the idea that is heavily biased in destros favor is nothing more than a fever dream.
See the 2nd post of this thread.
Yea sorry I wasn't clear. Not that the win rate isn't biased (we all know that it is) but that "class balance" is biased.
Just to recap if we look at the people in this thread and their opinions:
These are the groups of people who view the "city win rate bias" as being an "organizational issue":
1. Most of Destro (obviously)
2. The top people from multiple top order guilds (Montauge, LBL, TUP). Edit: I said leaders prior in error, I was referring to bombling, who is a member of LBL. I don't know Rolgrim's opinion as he hasn't posted it.
3. The developers.
There are these groups of people who view the "city win rate bias" as being a "class balance issues":
1. The unorganized order who doesn't win cities.
I'm personally more or less done with this discussion and I'm happy with where we've landed. We investigated the issue, have had a long discussion on the topic, and I believe we've isolated a variety of steps that can be taken to rectify (which some do include class balance, but it's unlikely to actually heavily change win rates without a change in organization). We have a general good consensus on the nature of the issue and what can be done to resolve, and frankly, the people who still don't get it are the same people who are literally causing the issue with their own lack of organization and planning.
Until the order who can't win cities decides to take a deep hard introspective look at how they play this game and how much effort they are willing to put in to win, nothing will change. If you want to start winning cities on a personal level, start joining bigger guilds, getting organized, spend time in discord discussing strategies, go and test things out in the lakes with 24 man wbs, etc... If you don't do this, how do you think you can compete with opposing players who put that effort in?
Just to be clear, I know there are a variety of opinions here, but opinions don't all hold the same weight. The reality is, I'm going to listen to the Order leaders who defeat me in cities, and not the Order who I roll over while I'm half asleep and barely try. I highly recommend Order starts listening to their top players and guilds and learning from them, instead of telling your own best players on the forums that they are wrong and you know better, because you don't.
(When I say you, I'm talking about Order players who are complaining about city in general, and not specifically you as an individual Velenne, nor am I actually implying that you are whining or anything, I'm just trying to speak in general to the community).