Return of Reckoning

Onigokko0101 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 19, 2021 12:16 pm

Kragg wrote: ↑Fri Mar 19, 2021 11:23 am

Orontes wrote: ↑Fri Mar 19, 2021 10:45 am

Quite so. All classes have had changes made to them. This particular change, based on a lie it was a bug fix, speaks to the very core mechanic of the two classes. Their damage bonus changed from 40% to 20% impacts every single damage ability for all mastery types. If it is correct, the rationale for this foolish decision is because of raw numbers from City sieges, that is similarly mind numbing in its scale of foolishness. It confuses AOE fluff damage as some core horror. It confuses a calculation as a justification: class X has sum Y as its damage, there must then be an imbalance. How many in City actions are begging for engi or magi? How many are running in fear during City actions because engi/magi are on the opposing side? This lie it was a bug fix that reverses the core mechanic fix of 2016 underscores clearly those making these decisions do not play either class and do not understand the player experience. This needs to be reversed. It's a bad decision.

Spot on!

As said, I doubt those making these decisions actually have played either class, or not for very long. :/

I mean it totally nerfs the bitterstone strategy of sitting on a wall, but in most fights its really not that big of a nerf.

Less then a 4% nerf at 5 stacks. Ive said it multiple times this thread that in actual fights against competent players you tend to hover between 3-5 stacks because of movement/pet death/pet swap/resummoning etc...

Its a nerf yes, but not nearly as bad as everyone is making it seem, unless your strategy is to sit on a wall and try to get BoC/Snipe kills from range.

inoeth wrote: ↑Fri Mar 19, 2021 4:13 pm the match making actually sucks! played 20 SC today and 90% we wre outnumbered by min 3-5 players.....

btw ran in premade all 70+ still got still smashed 100% did not win a single one lol

Cqengi wrote: ↑Fri Mar 19, 2021 3:38 pm these comments however they are written out, are not wrong. I don't think I need to voice anything else for the engi/magus, however you look at this, this last nerf to engi was cheeky, uncalled for, and lazy. There is no other point of reference to neuter these classes' damage other than the 1 aspect where they can shine (albeit it 1 at a time), city.
-The fact it was labeled a bugfix
-The fact it is based on city damage numbers from 1 magus player and 2-3 engis
-The fact that you nerf an entire class of every spec for every player for every gear level, because of one overperforming ability that you still fail to acknowledge is broken beyond belief (napalm/mist)
-The fact that numbers and evidence themselves do not prove this to you (napalm tooltip 354 vs firebomb tooltip of 604 and napalm still hitting harder?)
-The silence from the devs that implemented this change? no reasoning revealed? no further excuse? The foot that they put first to allow this change is a 'bugfix'. THAT was the best you could do to justify it?

No more words from my part, didnt even realise you allowed napalm/mist to take advantage of engi/mag class mechanic when you made it defendable in an attempt to balance it. To put it simply, you buffed an ability you were trying to nerf, didnt realise, and blamed the entire class for their damage numbers in city, and now nerfed the whole lot. You nerfed acid bomb, you nerfed engis auto attack, you nerfed magus' staff autoattack, you nerfed every ability that didnt need it because of your inability to diagnose correctly.

Sorry but this has to be said in this way, to really make you understand what it is you just did.

I am not against the idea of nerfing engi/magus, but you need to direct that nerf to where it should be.

chovudal wrote: ↑Fri Mar 19, 2021 4:26 pm

Cqengi wrote: ↑Fri Mar 19, 2021 3:38 pm these comments however they are written out, are not wrong. I don't think I need to voice anything else for the engi/magus, however you look at this, this last nerf to engi was cheeky, uncalled for, and lazy. There is no other point of reference to neuter these classes' damage other than the 1 aspect where they can shine (albeit it 1 at a time), city.
-The fact it was labeled a bugfix
-The fact it is based on city damage numbers from 1 magus player and 2-3 engis
-The fact that you nerf an entire class of every spec for every player for every gear level, because of one overperforming ability that you still fail to acknowledge is broken beyond belief (napalm/mist)
-The fact that numbers and evidence themselves do not prove this to you (napalm tooltip 354 vs firebomb tooltip of 604 and napalm still hitting harder?)
-The silence from the devs that implemented this change? no reasoning revealed? no further excuse? The foot that they put first to allow this change is a 'bugfix'. THAT was the best you could do to justify it?

No more words from my part, didnt even realise you allowed napalm/mist to take advantage of engi/mag class mechanic when you made it defendable in an attempt to balance it. To put it simply, you buffed an ability you were trying to nerf, didnt realise, and blamed the entire class for their damage numbers in city, and now nerfed the whole lot. You nerfed acid bomb, you nerfed engis auto attack, you nerfed magus' staff autoattack, you nerfed every ability that didnt need it because of your inability to diagnose correctly.

Sorry but this has to be said in this way, to really make you understand what it is you just did.

I am not against the idea of nerfing engi/magus, but you need to direct that nerf to where it should be.

Word up!

And to all the defenders of the nerf, hope your class gets a nerf of 20% and let me see you crying.

dalen wrote: ↑Fri Mar 19, 2021 6:59 am

neutrino wrote: ↑Fri Mar 19, 2021 4:04 am

ReturnOfReckoning wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 10:27 am
Bug Fixes

- The damage bonus from daemons now works like the tooltips say, +4% damage per stack up to a maximum of +20%. Previously they gave +5% per stack, up to a maximum of +40%.

Reducing damage by 20% (1/5) for two of the most difficult classes to play in the game is a pile of ****.
Thank you once again for fixing something that wasn't broke.
https://imgur.com/kKn1y5Q

Reducing from 140% damage to 120% damage is a reduction by 1/7, not 1/5. So 14.2%, not 20%.

And if you used for example Daemonic Contract and Bloodlord weapon it is a reduction from 160% damage to 140% damage, so 1/8 or 12.5%.

And that is only assuming you were always on 8 stacks before.

If you averaged around 5 stacks that's a 3.4% damage reduction.