Return of Reckoning

Ocara is a huge force multiplier on destro.

You can now read this sentence and laugh and think lul pug, still it's the truth.

If he's on many ppl become active and join him.
He is a huge motivation for other ppl. to start a overflow and assist him.
He coordinates the realm if nobody wants to take the lead.

If you play with him you will recognize he is still hungry to lock zones.
He leads with discord and has a goon squad in p1 which is very durable.
He leads from a BG pov, he is on his self very hard to kill for enemy pugs.
Sometimes I join him with a clear name, sometimes kind of incognito, think "experienced" players do so same occasionally.

On top of that he does all that on a regular almost daily basis.
He keeps most of the time his cool. Is hard to demotivate and really hard to trigger.

There is a reason we call him king, to some degree and under some circumstances humorous, but still, I don't see somebody on order who carries and tries this hard.

On top of that all he is very cooperative from what I know, you barely have to talk to him if you leading your own wb.

Edit: what I want to say order is clearly missing "that guy" who handles daily business.

Order are generally a little less organised consistantly (destro can be very disorganised at times too fyi)

Order's mentality is the problem... looking for an excuse or nerf, instead of looking for a positive solution from themselves / way to improve (as a player, teamwork and as a realm) (investing energy into positive teamwork instead of talking crap or crying nerf is alot more productive in my honest opinion and will yield better results)

So many times when the going gets tough we have seen Order's numbers drop and only CNTK remain the one consistant over and over... they can't do it all by themselves, they do enough as it is despite usually having to deal with idiots who blame them if order dies. (both sides die deal with it)

Thing's usually go full circle though... I am jealous of order's AAO, we even swapped sides when there was 100% AAO for order last week as raid began... last thing they want is 140%+ and a full TUP WB on top of that... (Yes we are dirty X realmers swapping to the poor underdog and outnumbered realm on our lowbies just to get some action lal)

If swapping sides wasn't a big deal, I would do it more often (if it promoted action) but Destro is our side and we worked on it... I miss when order use to have 5 warbands adding into out fight and talking crap about how they wiped TUP wb (which was really just 2 FG was always a good laugh) it was pretty intense... and order using cannons outside destro warcamps talking much smack while destro had 100% + AAO (this was like 6 months ago maybe)

I've even been alot less externally comunicating lately on Destro and still wild zerg appears... some days even non familar names are leading multiple destro warbands. The Issue is momentum and how to stop it, once Destro get momentum and sense a zone lock (especially if someone experienced like Ocara is leading them) they will zerg like no tomorrow (both sides zerg given the chance)... it's then on order to stop this momentum, I know there are a few order groups capable of doing this just they are a bit inconsistant and usually get overwhelmed by mass.

from TUP POV, when something gets nerfed or a order group improves, it pushes us even more to maximise what we have available to us (and we are not super hardcore... just semi organised)... I don't feel like Order always maximise everything that is already available to them.

There will be days destro dominates, days when order dominates... its a snoozefest if destro dominates and lack of action/fights to be had...

TLDR: Long live the king

Order pug's... if they are serious about improving... don't be in a million guilds with no real activity or real leaders. Make more alliance warbands, find like minded guilds of similar size/expectation/language/maturity... lay down some ground rules that leaders all agree on to minimize the drama's... and go from there, if your guild is not big enough to run a warband by itself, then alliance warbands where you can build a strong and consistant foundation is the next best thing... but if you want to be just random and not put in extra effort or energy then don't complain about end results.

Yeah Order really lacks the Pug Warlords. Didn't some players like Rumba or Avo lead more in the past or what happened?

And as Petsouris said above, we in TUP had to bring down number of raid days simply because too much Destro too little Order, no point in logging online and seeing that your side massively dominates whatever forces enemy has online.

As for "zerging", the best way to ensure that smaller effective groups, whether 6man or 12man or 24man has a chance to stand against a massive blob of red, would be to increase the AoE cap from current 9 to say 12 or 15, or even 18. Currently, a organized warband with 8 dps slots all doing AoE can hold at bay maybe 1-2 enemy warbands decently, 3 rarely and after that comes the breaking point because your own limited AoE simply gets lost in a sea of red. Increasing the cap would possibly boost the overdog, but at least it would give an organized underdog a realistic chance to actually properly fight back, even if severely outnumbered. Not to mention that with more AoE potential, a smaller force becomes far stronger at defending keeps, which might give more people incentives to bother leaving BOs and actually participate in keep fights.

Avo and Rumba both catch a lot of flak from some of the Order guilds. Both stopped playing for a while, and they were never as good at leading as Ocara anyways.

Oh, gee, another order bashing thread has arrived!

High quality walls of texts all around! Much insight to be found on the matter here by our glorious destro overlords that neither blatantly zerg, nor whine!

More at 7, praise Ocara!

no need to be salty just because someone else gets praised

The king has earnt his glory by putting in effort

Ocara galvanizes destro... meanwhile a influential order leader like yourself takes ways to improve your realm (thread made by order players) negatively just as bashing...

Phalanx are bored by lack of action, TUP are similar... a strong order faction means plenty of challenge and many epic fights to be had... if you read in between the lines of Hao's previous posting he's given plenty of warband advice to order that falls on deaf ears

you can take a horse to water but you can't make it drink...

The game is all about epic fights, the more of these that happen that remind people why they play RVR in the first place the healthier the server/game is for it

I wrote my post only as a hint how to be successful with limited resources.

Take it or leave it.
In your case I guess: leave it.

Yea, I've already made a meme out of the guy and his constant stream of, ahem, suggestions, feel free to check out peters thread.
I find it a bit odd that my obvious mockery of "benevolent" destros can be seen as being salty. It's probably projection or something

Omelet du fromage!!!! The New battle cry of order!! Chargee

areanda wrote:Omelet du fromage!!!! The New battle cry of order!! Chargee

I would replace charge with retreat tho