Return of Reckoning

You can have a couple of reactions to losing to something. You can say "I cant beat this, it's not fair.". Or you can ask yourself "how do I overcome this?".

Which type of player do you want to be?

On the subject on Chopper pull,
Magus and Engineer had their pulls nerfed a while back so you cant pull players down from keepwalls, is this a change that is not applied to the chopper pull right now?

Because it seems like GTDC overperforms in regards to displacements, pulling people into broken keepdoors, fences, and off 3rd floor through the floor in keepsieges.

This, mixed with its a channeled ability without interruption on movement + Charge + Shrug it off,displacement potential is beond any Rift/EM'er could dream of having. And therefor this sort of ability should not be in the same toolkit on this archtype.


Rifting should be for the Rifters. So no thank you to pull on either Choppa or Slayer.

qwerty113 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 30, 2018 8:10 pm How about BO dps ability wich give extra defensive stats armor+resists ?!

How about SM ability : 50%parry,50%disrupt and 50% dodge?

Telen wrote: ↑Sun Sep 30, 2018 8:58 pm Slayer should have that pull to. Its absolutely realm defining in the way that des now zerg using it.

sure... Rampage on Choppa when?

wonshot wrote: ↑Sun Sep 30, 2018 9:14 pm channeled ability without interruption on movement

it's not true

wonshot wrote: ↑Sun Sep 30, 2018 9:14 pm On the subject on Chopper pull,
Magus and Engineer had their pulls nerfed a while back so you cant pull players down from keepwalls, is this a change that is not applied to the chopper pull right now?

Because it seems like GTDC overperforms in regards to displacements, pulling people into broken keepdoors, fences, and off 3rd floor through the floor in keepsieges.

This, mixed with its a channeled ability without interruption on movement + Charge + Shrug it off,displacement potential is beond any Rift/EM'er could dream of having. And therefor this sort of ability should not be in the same toolkit on this archtype.


Rifting should be for the Rifters. So no thank you to pull on either Choppa or Slayer.

The only comment that had any context.

Choppas broken spec is not "compensated" by Slayer's Rampage. The two aren't comparable. Take away Choppas broken pull and give them Rampage if that's the case.

Rampage does not create a realm playstyle. GTTC does. Abilities like Mara pull and WL pounce were the realm defining abilities. As well as sw/bw rkd and goblin speed racials. Always seemed to me speed procs were there for pounce and the rkd were to counter pull. Theres little missing from des that makes the realms unique. They have a pounce (to backlines that dont have speed proc racials), a moving pbaoe pull to hoover up the midlines and the racial speed procs that make 2 of their backline more mobile. When it comes to control and mobility. both positional and messing up the other sides postioning des are streets ahead.
Mythic werent great at balance but there always seemed method to it. With solid counters designed for unique realm abilities. Here things just seem all over the place. Mythics approach it seemed was to give two classes on the other side some sort of counter.

anyway.....before the buff with 30% speed that pull was ignored, so what changed ? what is that make the pull so strong is just the pull in general for you mainly order players or only the speed buff or both? lets make this constructive and maybe i will make a proposal for you since i do to think that the pull is off anyway.

Tesq wrote: ↑Sun Sep 30, 2018 10:41 pm anyway.....before the buff with 30% speed that pull was ignored, so what changed ? what is that make the pull so strong is just the pull in general for you mainly order players or only the speed buff or both? lets make this constructive and maybe i will make a proposal for you since i do to think that the pull is off anyway.

I've been pulled when not in LoS of the CHoppa. I've been pulled from the third floor to the ground. I've been pulled when the Choppa had his back to me. Today I was on the third floor in a keep defense, no LOS of the steps with my back to the pillars. Never saw the choppa put got pulled to the steps. How do you defend against something you don't even see? The very fact that there are so many Choppas means that the ability is realm defining.

Wuu wrote: ↑Sun Sep 30, 2018 11:01 pm

Tesq wrote: ↑Sun Sep 30, 2018 10:41 pm anyway.....before the buff with 30% speed that pull was ignored, so what changed ? what is that make the pull so strong is just the pull in general for you mainly order players or only the speed buff or both? lets make this constructive and maybe i will make a proposal for you since i do to think that the pull is off anyway.

I've been pulled when not in LoS of the CHoppa. I've been pulled from the third floor to the ground. I've been pulled when the Choppa had his back to me. Today I was on the third floor in a keep defense, no LOS of the steps with my back to the pillars. Never saw the choppa put got pulled to the steps. How do you defend against something you don't even see? The very fact that there are so many Choppas means that the ability is realm defining.

Yes and why ? i asked why not what it is, to share stuff with ya yesterday i was pulled down from keep wall by a magus , maybe there is a problem with pulls? Who know.....yet choppas before the buff to git to da chop ignored that skill so i still wonder what changed meanwhile?

-pull always had been 360 degree
-skill always had do aoe dmg while rng pull
-was always castable on the move
-in live required los to pull you, of this im sure but on ror all pull behave like los is not a thing most of time when you are near the edge of the doors etc...
-The only diff it cames to my mind is in live you could cast skill while being pull or punt you just get interrupt at the start of pull/punt (this happened to make more worth bo/sm punts here)..

Anything else?

Foomy44 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 30, 2018 5:35 pm Order has 3 classes with pounce, destro has 1.

White Lion has pounce.... What are the other 2?