Return of Reckoning

• Return stealth like it was on live. Now trying to kill in a backline is suicidal. Impossible to re-stealth. Even a pet is enough to prevent stealth.

• Add a stackable incoming heal debuff to all executions/finishers, but cleanse-able by all healers. One execution = 25%, which if no cleanses performed would give 100% in ~10 sec if you try hard with low mechanic points (low dmg). One cleanse and you have to start over

popperz wrote: Mon Jan 27, 2020 6:38 am Dev's could consider:

• Return stealth like it was on live. Now trying to kill in a backline is suicidal. Impossible to re-stealth. Even a pet is enough to prevent stealth.

• Add a stackable incoming heal debuff to all executions/finishers, but cleanse-able by all healers. One execution = 25%, which if no cleanses performed would give 100% in ~10 sec if you try hard with low mechanic points (low dmg). One cleanse and you have to start over

Compared to other melee dps WH is definitely not worth the spot. Indeed the squishiest, but the damage I guess comparable to other classes. Nevertheless, it is easily countered with positioning/knockback/knockdown. After the feinted positioning ability is over (and has 1m cooldown), this is it. Just don't show your back and you can laugh at the numbers
However, giving more damage would make 1v1 bad. Giving more armor is just not appropriate for the class and would make def WEs even more retarded. Utility is what is lacking. And stackable heal debuff in my opinion would fill the void.

Fey wrote: Mon Jan 27, 2020 4:14 am This probably isn't the best spot, but I'm wondering if I can try out Exit Wounds as a low rr WH with terrible gear(duelist). Or should I stay with BaL?

Pet the topic I noticed my jagged edge hitting for more than auto attacks, but my str is only 800 and it was a monstro Mara. Class might need some love, but it's the coolest class in the game.

Fey wrote: Mon Jan 27, 2020 4:14 am This probably isn't the best spot, but I'm wondering if I can try out Exit Wounds as a low rr WH with terrible gear(duelist). Or should I stay with BaL?

Pet the topic I noticed my jagged edge hitting for more than auto attacks, but my str is only 800 and it was a monstro Mara. Class might need some love, but it's the coolest class in the game.

Nidwin wrote: Mon Jan 27, 2020 12:16 pm

Fey wrote: Mon Jan 27, 2020 4:14 am This probably isn't the best spot, but I'm wondering if I can try out Exit Wounds as a low rr WH with terrible gear(duelist). Or should I stay with BaL?

Pet the topic I noticed my jagged edge hitting for more than auto attacks, but my str is only 800 and it was a monstro Mara. Class might need some love, but it's the coolest class in the game.

https://builder.returnofreckoning.com/c ... ,4367,4356

Trial by Pain as your main finisher (just learn and get used to 30ft straffing) and abso spam if target not dead.
You can swap Flowing Acusations for Riposte and see what you prefer.
You can also start with using mainly Razor Strike and add Torment later on once used to have 2 spammers.

kryss wrote: Mon Jan 27, 2020 1:02 pm

Nidwin wrote: Mon Jan 27, 2020 12:16 pm

Fey wrote: Mon Jan 27, 2020 4:14 am This probably isn't the best spot, but I'm wondering if I can try out Exit Wounds as a low rr WH with terrible gear(duelist). Or should I stay with BaL?

Pet the topic I noticed my jagged edge hitting for more than auto attacks, but my str is only 800 and it was a monstro Mara. Class might need some love, but it's the coolest class in the game.

https://builder.returnofreckoning.com/c ... ,4367,4356

Trial by Pain as your main finisher (just learn and get used to 30ft straffing) and abso spam if target not dead.
You can swap Flowing Acusations for Riposte and see what you prefer.
You can also start with using mainly Razor Strike and add Torment later on once used to have 2 spammers.

Spec
low rank
https://builder.returnofreckoning.com/c ... ,4368,6103

dueler (you got a lot of tools to play with)
https://builder.returnofreckoning.com/c ... mt=4395&t=

rr70 you can go Judge/conf to get blessed blades for a good BAL+trial by pain combo, but you get less defence/attack potential (SoD, RB)


Skills and tactics:
Razor strike is not a very good idea, always spam torment with FP even if you're not speccing Judgement as a first tree. It is mandatory to ignore as much armor as you can, moreso now that all classes are getting more and more armor with the new sets.
Also don't use Flowing Accusation, especially if you're undergear or low rr: there are better tactics, and this is unreliable. I'd only use it if I could unslot brute force (maybe with future sets it won't be needed to cap str, I dunno).

low rank spec: BF, flanking, blessed blades, FC and you're good to go.

Additionaly, and especially for dueleer builds, you can go:
vs melee: cheese it out and go BF, Riposte, FC, RS: pop repel after your openers and profit. It's dispellable but I still have yet to see someone do it, even supposedly "good" players are not trying. The best ones will probably see the buffhead icon and try to kite you away till the 5 secs expire, but if you got a high parry rate riposte will do it's job anyway

cookie cutter setup: BF, flanking, IF, FC: you can pump up a lot of dmg with this, useful for group settings/multiple encounters and when you know you'll get added. Can never go wrong with this, especially if you have a good crit % and rely on some procs

casters, shams, zealots: BS, flanking, vindication, FC: openers, then pop SOD and get that joicy 35% buff to your dmg. They will melt when they try to stagger or punt you away

wachlarz wrote: Mon Jan 27, 2020 9:37 am Wh dont have incoming and outgoing healdebuff ?

Ototo wrote: Mon Jan 27, 2020 1:27 pm

kryss wrote: Mon Jan 27, 2020 1:02 pm

Nidwin wrote: Mon Jan 27, 2020 12:16 pm

https://builder.returnofreckoning.com/c ... ,4367,4356

Trial by Pain as your main finisher (just learn and get used to 30ft straffing) and abso spam if target not dead.
You can swap Flowing Acusations for Riposte and see what you prefer.
You can also start with using mainly Razor Strike and add Torment later on once used to have 2 spammers.

Spec
low rank
https://builder.returnofreckoning.com/c ... ,4368,6103

dueler (you got a lot of tools to play with)
https://builder.returnofreckoning.com/c ... mt=4395&t=

rr70 you can go Judge/conf to get blessed blades for a good BAL+trial by pain combo, but you get less defence/attack potential (SoD, RB)


Skills and tactics:
Razor strike is not a very good idea, always spam torment with FP even if you're not speccing Judgement as a first tree. It is mandatory to ignore as much armor as you can, moreso now that all classes are getting more and more armor with the new sets.
Also don't use Flowing Accusation, especially if you're undergear or low rr: there are better tactics, and this is unreliable. I'd only use it if I could unslot brute force (maybe with future sets it won't be needed to cap str, I dunno).

low rank spec: BF, flanking, blessed blades, FC and you're good to go.

Additionaly, and especially for dueleer builds, you can go:
vs melee: cheese it out and go BF, Riposte, FC, RS: pop repel after your openers and profit. It's dispellable but I still have yet to see someone do it, even supposedly "good" players are not trying. The best ones will probably see the buffhead icon and try to kite you away till the 5 secs expire, but if you got a high parry rate riposte will do it's job anyway

cookie cutter setup: BF, flanking, IF, FC: you can pump up a lot of dmg with this, useful for group settings/multiple encounters and when you know you'll get added. Can never go wrong with this, especially if you have a good crit % and rely on some procs

casters, shams, zealots: BS, flanking, vindication, FC: openers, then pop SOD and get that joicy 35% buff to your dmg. They will melt when they try to stagger or punt you away

I use these specs, but I have been told repeatedly that I have no idea of the class and that all my kills are imaginaries, so expect A LOT of backlash for posting the same builds that I did, and giving the same advices that I did. Seems that neither of us have any idea of the class.

I would only change in your duel build this: https://builder.returnofreckoning.com/c ... mt=6103&t= Blessed Blade is nuts. You will spam Absolution with +50% armor penetration, specially if you have Flowing Accusations. To a lesser point, it allows you to go full strength in the gear instead of mixing weapon skill, so you may be able to drop Brute Force.