diedrake wrote: Sun Oct 11, 2020 9:00 pm
Aww destro murder ball tactics not working anymore? Order rdps doing thier jobs so that a few tanks and mdps we have can stop the flow of said murder ball?
Hint, rdps and all that can do that due to organization and gear.
Order is finally adapting and countering destro tactics. There are more tactics other then throw more bodies at a keep d without defense morals.
Destro murder ball and over populating zones= working as intended
Order organizing and rdps using ranged to counter murder ball, and this weekend overpopulated side= OP NERF NOW!!!
Order overpopulated taking IC a lot= nerf needed!
Wow destro yall have more salt here then a salt mine.
Such a mature and thoughtful reply, really added to the conversation!
Re: Please Fix AOE
Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2020 1:26 am
by Rowanmantle
saupreusse wrote: Sun Oct 11, 2020 6:04 pm
As a healer i can guarantee you that all these order engies, bws and shadowwarriors are dropping like flies on the keep walls. I know because i have to rezz the countless bodies over and over.
This is true. If only we had an addon to track rezzes in a zone. You'd be amazed.
Re: Please Fix AOE
Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2020 4:18 am
by Cheermazon
From the perspective of someone who plays mostly heals on both sides, the aoe pressure of Order is vastly superior.
While a large part of this is due to class popularity and Destro severely lacks heals/rDPS, which is part of the problem; but only two destro rDPS are viable
in keep/fort scenarios where rAoE reigns. Even with the appropriate rDPS, Order has advantages in tactics/skills which allow them to output pressure
in a greater area compared to what destro can offer. rSW has 3xBHA stacking in an AoE, Engi and BW both get tactics which increase the radius of their
AoE, which accounts for greater pressure applied. While these may not be meta tactics or builds, they are being utilized and theres few small sections
of a keep/fort where its safe to stand without being hit by AoE during a push/defense.
As a healer, the difference of output required to keep people alive is insane, on Destro I am spamming heals constantly regardless of defense of offense.
Where on Order, the only time spamming is required is as a push is being made, but between that healthbars are hardly moving. Outside of the rAoE
presence Order has, they also have superior healing from tactics. KotBS offer Focused Mending, WP Exalted Defense, which destro doesnt have; and each stacks with
RP Blessing of Grungi. Those combined just equates to more healing output than destro has the capabilities of pulling off comparitively, in combination with
weaker/less rDPS classes.
Just observations I've made from healing each side in oRVR.
Re: Please Fix AOE
Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2020 7:31 am
by Gurf
It's the same on both sides as a healer in that if you are in a warband with a proper setup and on voice coms healing is much easier. You don't get tanks charging out the door when your trying to res, half the warband isnt one side of the keep half the other, or scattered across the map, you don't have a few dead people afk not accepting a res, you don't have everyone popping their morale and challenges at the same time etc. That is more the determining factor than any tactics or class.
Re: Please Fix AOE
Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2020 8:51 am
by abezverkhiy
Having two AOE toons I want to see AOE damage balanced so single target DPS could be useful in RVR. Engie can be useful somewhat but single target slayer is garbage in RVR. And because of that imbalance I stopped playing WH because apart from ganking and killing oil there’s nothing to do.
Re: Please Fix AOE
Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2020 8:58 am
by saupreusse
Cheermazon wrote: Tue Oct 13, 2020 4:18 am
From the perspective of someone who plays mostly heals on both sides, the aoe pressure of Order is vastly superior.
While a large part of this is due to class popularity and Destro severely lacks heals/rDPS, which is part of the problem; but only two destro rDPS are viable
in keep/fort scenarios where rAoE reigns. Even with the appropriate rDPS, Order has advantages in tactics/skills which allow them to output pressure
in a greater area compared to what destro can offer. rSW has 3xBHA stacking in an AoE, Engi and BW both get tactics which increase the radius of their
AoE, which accounts for greater pressure applied. While these may not be meta tactics or builds, they are being utilized and theres few small sections
of a keep/fort where its safe to stand without being hit by AoE during a push/defense.
As a healer, the difference of output required to keep people alive is insane, on Destro I am spamming heals constantly regardless of defense of offense.
Where on Order, the only time spamming is required is as a push is being made, but between that healthbars are hardly moving. Outside of the rAoE
presence Order has, they also have superior healing from tactics. KotBS offer Focused Mending, WP Exalted Defense, which destro doesnt have; and each stacks with
RP Blessing of Grungi. Those combined just equates to more healing output than destro has the capabilities of pulling off comparitively, in combination with
weaker/less rDPS classes.
Just observations I've made from healing each side in oRVR.
Play a city against pnp or fmj and watch in awe as your warbands health bars go 100 to 0 in under 5 seconds.
#nocounterplayallowed
Re: Please Fix AOE
Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2020 9:36 am
by Gurf
If you really wanted to look at aoe then it would have to be across all classes including melee: Choppa/Mara/WL/Slayer, all toned down, then you would also have to tone down aoe healing of DOK/WP. You would then probably have to change res completely as if single target is king then it's a question of who reses fastest wins, or just a never ending res cycle in many fights, so you would need to put a much longer cooldown on it and probably remove insta res tactic completely and remove res morales, to make it so that fights even come to an end.
Re: Please Fix AOE
Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2020 9:52 am
by farng84
the op wrote that he feels aoe is overpowered and that Order appears to have the best aoe (for various reasons which were mentioned)
But reworking aoe would include melee classes too. which would affect the obliteration some of the Order healers mentioned in this post.
Nobody said nerf Order aoe leaving destro as it is...
I agree that more revision would be necessary, including healing and res if aoe was reworked, that could be a huge amount of work.
Also have to say that knowing that ranged aoe is extremely effective while defending/attacking a keep is quite basic...Lately it is being exploited better than usual, possibly in hope of the defence tick
Please don't just say it's l2p problem, bring different classes (talking in general). Otherwise you will come out as destro was in regard to city, and you would make your position much weaker. A concern was presented, it should be discussed (and eventually dismissed) but through logic and solid arguments
Re: Please Fix AOE
Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2020 10:40 am
by emiliorv
Cheermazon wrote: Tue Oct 13, 2020 4:18 am
Outside of the rAoE presence Order has, they also have superior healing from tactics.
Cheermazon wrote: Tue Oct 13, 2020 4:18 am
From the perspective of someone who plays mostly heals on both sides, the aoe pressure of Order is vastly superior.
While a large part of this is due to class popularity and Destro severely lacks heals/rDPS, which is part of the problem; but only two destro rDPS are viable
in keep/fort scenarios where rAoE reigns. Even with the appropriate rDPS, Order has advantages in tactics/skills which allow them to output pressure
in a greater area compared to what destro can offer. rSW has 3xBHA stacking in an AoE, Engi and BW both get tactics which increase the radius of their
AoE, which accounts for greater pressure applied. While these may not be meta tactics or builds, they are being utilized and theres few small sections
of a keep/fort where its safe to stand without being hit by AoE during a push/defense.
As a healer, the difference of output required to keep people alive is insane, on Destro I am spamming heals constantly regardless of defense of offense.
Where on Order, the only time spamming is required is as a push is being made, but between that healthbars are hardly moving. Outside of the rAoE
presence Order has, they also have superior healing from tactics. KotBS offer Focused Mending, WP Exalted Defense, which destro doesnt have; and each stacks with
RP Blessing of Grungi. Those combined just equates to more healing output than destro has the capabilities of pulling off comparitively, in combination with
weaker/less rDPS classes.
Just observations I've made from healing each side in oRVR.
Play a city against pnp or fmj and watch in awe as your warbands health bars go 100 to 0 in under 5 seconds.
#nocounterplayallowed
#DidAMillionMoreMicroactionThenJustRollingWithFaceOverKeyboardToAchiveThat
ps. i can just role over my keyboard outside of ic, how do i do insert a funny meme here?
