Return of Reckoning

Meliannia wrote: ↑Sat Jan 22, 2022 4:33 pm There is no point looking at class balance until the faction numbers balance is resolved or improved. No-one is anti anything, except being anti 72% vs 28% for 16hrs a day every day

Seems you just discovered that Warhammer RvR system is Side VERSUS Side. In that kinda RvR system, population balance cannot and should not ever be impacted by outside (Devs/GMs) things. Its should be on the players to pick which side they want to play. In perfect world you would like to have 50%vs%50% which means perfect balance population, but even then, if that balance is achieved most of the time it will mean Campaign stalemate, but that at least would mean constant and balanced fights in the RvR zones. Its natural and very normal when disbalance in population occurs, and again it should be up to players to balance it, and here where so hated xrealming comes to help, but on this server people are unable to understand that xrealming is what actually tries to keep population in balance. There are many groups that actually do chase AAO or action that happens mostly when you play on lower population realm.

If you are on the side 28% vs 72% you should be thankfull that you have so many enemies to fight, so much action, its just up to you and your group how you gonna use it to your advantage.

Been saying that the server needs a single person with a direction that the players actually like for ah, since I joined.
I went along with whomever's direction for the longest time out of hope others knew more. Spoiler: everyone was restricted by each other's objections.
That continues to be the case to this day.

As for the single person:

Wargrimnir isn't that.
Azarael wasn't that
Natherul wasn't that.
Jono/Dansaren were two people so that disqualifies them - and with conflicting views.
I'm too biased / demotivated by this game's state to actually do that.
Dalen is probably the most qualified, but he's restricted by Admins/GMs/DB devs/and now the realm champion council to make changes.

That single person needs to be:
1) Popular when changes go in.
2) Easily replaceable and access revoked if they aren't.
3) Talented enough with mathematical / technical skills wise to make the changes.
4) Unfettered by the rest of the team objecting
5) Great at game knowledge / actually playing the game
6) Actually willing to do the job for free (e-clout)

Dalen meets all above qualifications, except maybe #6.

Until then, realm balance will be an insanely difficult problem and classes will be half finished and not a single vision in mind for each of them.

Sulorie wrote: ↑Sat Jan 22, 2022 6:38 pm

Meliannia wrote: ↑Sat Jan 22, 2022 6:28 pm so you dont think 72% vs 28% every day now for 16hrs a day is an issue and not a problem?

Says it all.
perfect example of 'Self >All.'

Where do you even pull those numbers?

He makes them up.

Secrets wrote: ↑Sat Jan 22, 2022 8:53 pm Been saying that the server needs a single person with a direction that the players actually like for ah, since I joined.
I went along with whomever's direction for the longest time out of hope others knew more. Spoiler: everyone was restricted by each other's objections.
That continues to be the case to this day.

As for the single person:

Wargrimnir isn't that.
Azarael wasn't that
Natherul wasn't that.
Jono/Dansaren were two people so that disqualifies them - and with conflicting views.
I'm too biased / demotivated by this game's state to actually do that.
Dalen is probably the most qualified, but he's restricted by Admins/GMs/DB devs/and now the realm champion council to make changes.

That single person needs to be:
1) Popular when changes go in.
2) Easily replaceable and access revoked if they aren't.
3) Talented enough with mathematical / technical skills wise to make the changes.
4) Unfettered by the rest of the team objecting
5) Great at game knowledge / actually playing the game
6) Actually willing to do the job for free (e-clout)

Dalen meets all above qualifications, except maybe #6.

Until then, realm balance will be an insanely difficult problem and classes will be half finished and not a single vision in mind for each of them.

I somewhat agree, but when Azarael was around there was an entire section of the forum where balance changes, the intend of these changes and the vision behind them were described. This helped a lot to get an idea why a specific change (to a class or mechanic) happen. I cant really complain as this is all volunteers work here, but its sad that this documentation was discontinued. Now you can ask in patch notes about changes that are bad in your opinion (while you may actually just dont understand them) and you may get an answer. But chances are are high that you or the person that did the changes miss the question/answer and its practically impossible to keep track of the explanations over a long time.

Skullgrin wrote: ↑Sat Jan 22, 2022 9:11 pm

Sulorie wrote: ↑Sat Jan 22, 2022 6:38 pm

Meliannia wrote: ↑Sat Jan 22, 2022 6:28 pm so you dont think 72% vs 28% every day now for 16hrs a day is an issue and not a problem?

Says it all.
perfect example of 'Self >All.'

Where do you even pull those numbers?

He makes them up.

That's what the majority of this forum is, people pulling numbers out of their ass or stating lies in an attempt to promote whatever game change they are trying to present as "needed."

dwyur wrote: ↑Sat Jan 22, 2022 9:20 pm That's what the majority of this forum is, people pulling numbers out of their ass or stating lies in an attempt to promote whatever game change they are trying to present as "needed."

Yep, the 'balance forums' become particularly humorous once you can reliably see past the 'bovine scatology'.

dwyur wrote: ↑Sat Jan 22, 2022 9:20 pm

That's what the majority of this forum is, people pulling numbers out of their ass or stating lies in an attempt to promote whatever game change they are trying to present as "needed."

And then you don't hear anything else from OP and the thread goes on for 10 pages.

Xergon wrote: ↑Sat Jan 22, 2022 8:48 pm [
population balance cannot and should not ever be impacted by outside (Devs/GMs) things. Its should be on the players to pick which side they want to play. In perfect world you would like to have 50%vs%50% which means perfect balance population,

But Blizz did it, it was even done as far back as 2006 in WoW, Management identified extremely quickly servers that were getting slanted towards one faction (over 65% pop,) realised immediately this was not good for the long term of the game, and acted decisively and swiftly to stop this becoming overwhelmingly unplayable for the other faction, simply by stopping character creation for the larger faction until the population got to within 3% so 53 vs 47 instead of 66 vs 34 or w/e. Over a short space of time, i.e 3 months the server population per faction was equaled up and the issue nipped in the bud.

now im not saying stop people making destro as this was a different situation as ours is more of a time zone and xrealmer problem, and im not saying stop ppl logging in, im saying maybe put limits on a zone like there are pop limits on a fort.
and put a 24hr lock on x realmers
the nerf button crowd screamed a lot when Nb went, and the xrealm crowd here are goign to screama lot about this too as we are seeing already in the thread responses above but these are 'Self gain > All
' people and that's their nature, if they don't benefit they couldnt give two hoots, if the community benefit but not them they will try to prevent this.

it takes great moral courage and ethical fortitude to implement changes that maybe are to the short term detriment of yourself or a hardcore minority but are a long term benefit to the community and game as a whole.

Pop got up to 72% destro this week, and most of CET GMT time u have 1 order wb (if that) vs 4 to 7 destro wbs.
Imposing numbers limits on zones and stopping xrealming would make the game more competitive and stop the 1 sided faceroll. Would also bring back loyalty to your faction and not yourself which is more true to the heart of the game. So many Order are now simply going destro or logging out in CET GMT time to play other stuff, which is just making the issue worse.

as for Secrets post above, i have always found Dalen calm, fair, approachable, thoughtful, transparent and open, even when not to his benefit. I rate him.

Oh population has swing back to destro now for a bit? Nice. Last time I played properly IC was on farm status and had been for months due to the higher order numbers.